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Re: I tried Servo

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Post by jpc0 »

IshKebab wrote: post #40
zellyn wrote: post #35

> the MacRumors home page crashed after some scrolling I know there’s a ton going on, with GPUs and rendering and all kinds of things, but I guess because Rust’s memory safety and “no null pointers!” are so constantly hyped (especially in conversations about Go), that I’m always surprised when you fire up a Rust app and do something and it crashes out… [To be clear, I’m a big fan of modern sum types, and like to imag…

When they say "it crashed" they probably mean it panicked or just failed to render; not a segfault. Most languages have a way of saying "I haven't handled this case yet; just exit the program if you get here".

Rust also doesn’t consider DOS a failure condition.

Reading an invalid index, thats a panic.

Re: I tried Servo

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Post by criticalfault »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #65

I feel like Mozilla is going to join the annals of history with the likes of Xerox in the category of "Companies that created the technology of the future and casually tossed it to the wayside for competitors to scoop up" with Rust and Servo. It's mind-boggling that for a company so often seemingly playing catch-up with Google, Mozilla actually leapfrogged Google in the browser development space for a time, and then.…

This is only fair.

Mozilla doesn't deserve to survive. New players deserve our support, like servo and ladybird.

Even with an enormous budget from Google (500M, I think per year) they managed to ruin everything, including Firefox, the thing bringing them those 500M.

To me it looks as if Baker is an undercover person put there to sabotage Mozilla. Tldr: funded by Google, made absolutely everything in her power to run it into the ground

Re: I tried Servo

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Post by LtdJorge »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #92
CivBase wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can donate, but who's going to pay $10 for beer when the same stuff is being given away for free?

No, you can't. You can donate to the Mozilla Foundation, but you cannot donate to the Mozilla Corporation to actually fund Firefox development.

Exactly. You can donate to a bunch of management people with multiple million dollars compensation that are running the company into the ground.

Re: I tried Servo

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Post by LtdJorge »

johnisgood wrote: post #47
fhd2 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't get donations from Google, but get paid to include Google as the default search engine, right? No important difference though. Mozilla tried to switch to Yahoo a few years back and backpedaled. In terms of what users expect, they don't have a lot of options. Google OTOH could do without the users Firefox has left. And I've personally observed Google strong arm "partners". Not sure I see a conspiracy here,…

You are right, it is not a "donation", more like a business arrangement or something. I am not sure it is limited to "be the default search engine" though.

It is

Re: I tried Servo

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Post by mariusor »

criticalfault wrote: post #112
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #65

I feel like Mozilla is going to join the annals of history with the likes of Xerox in the category of "Companies that created the technology of the future and casually tossed it to the wayside for competitors to scoop up" with Rust and Servo. It's mind-boggling that for a company so often seemingly playing catch-up with Google, Mozilla actually leapfrogged Google in the browser development space for a time, and then.…

This is only fair. Mozilla doesn't deserve to survive. New players deserve our support, like servo and ladybird. Even with an enormous budget from Google (500M, I think per year) they managed to ruin everything, including Firefox, the thing bringing them those 500M. To me it looks as if Baker is an undercover person put there to sabotage Mozilla. Tldr: funded by Google, made absolutely everything in her power to run…

Unlike historical examples like Stephen Elop that moved from Microsoft to Nokia and buried their mobile division only to return to Microsoft, Mitchell Baker was with Mozilla since the start.

Re: I tried Servo

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Post by materielle »

YmiYugy wrote: post #23
ObscureScience wrote: post #3

While it's hard to know what comes of it, there is also https://ladybird.org/ to challenge to monopoly of Blink.

I just don't get the point of ladybird. They have full time engineers and are soliciting donations, so it's clearly more than a hobby project. Maybe my assumptions are off, but I just can't imagine they could ever become competitive in terms of features, security and performance with the big engines. Blink is setting the pace, Webkit is barely able to keep up and Gecko is slowly falling behind. All of these teams are…

I think there are two things to keep in mind.

1) Apple and Firefox have enough resources to implement the most recent web standards. When you see a feature which goes un-implemented for too long, it’s almost surely because nobody was even working on it because of internal resourcing fights.

2) Devs aren’t created equal. It’s possible for a team of 8 people to be 10x more productive than another team of 8.

Re: I tried Servo

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Post by nicoburns »

goku12 wrote: post #55
nicoburns wrote: post #15

> The current roadmap lists Shadow DOM and CSS Grid as priorities I've been working on the CSS Grid support. About to land "named grid lines and areas" support which should make a bunch more websites layout correctly. I'm biased because it's my project, but IMO the approach Servo is using for CSS Grid is pretty cool in that the actual implementation is in an external library (Taffy [0]) that can be used standalone an…

> (Taffy [0]) that can be used standalone and is widely used accross the Rust UI ecosystem, including in the Blitz [1] web engine (which also uses Taffy for Flexbox and Block layout) This is the first time I hear about Blitz. Looks equally interesting and ambitious. It is probably the real undercover web engine. Servo was widely known around when Rust debuted.

> this is the first time I hear about Blitz. Looks equally interesting and ambitious. It is probably the real undercover web engine

It's certainly a newer and lesser-known engine. It's mostly been me working on it for the past year or so (with a couple of other occasional contributors). But I do have funding to work on it full time through DioxusLabs (who are building Dioxus Native - a Flutter / React Native competitor on top of it) and NLnet (who are a non-profit interested in the alternative web browser use case).

We're trying to really push on the modular side of things to create a web engine that's flexible / hackable and can be moulded for a variety of use cases.

We'd love more contributors, so if anyone is interested in getting involved then drop by our GitHub (https://github.com/DioxusLabs/blitz/) or Discord (https://discord.gg/AnNPqT95pu - #native channel)

Re: I tried Servo

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Post by bornfreddy »

criticalfault wrote: post #112
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #65

I feel like Mozilla is going to join the annals of history with the likes of Xerox in the category of "Companies that created the technology of the future and casually tossed it to the wayside for competitors to scoop up" with Rust and Servo. It's mind-boggling that for a company so often seemingly playing catch-up with Google, Mozilla actually leapfrogged Google in the browser development space for a time, and then.…

This is only fair. Mozilla doesn't deserve to survive. New players deserve our support, like servo and ladybird. Even with an enormous budget from Google (500M, I think per year) they managed to ruin everything, including Firefox, the thing bringing them those 500M. To me it looks as if Baker is an undercover person put there to sabotage Mozilla. Tldr: funded by Google, made absolutely everything in her power to run…

Yup, wouldn't be the first one [0].

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Elop

Re: I tried Servo

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Post by spease »

echelon wrote: post #70
goku12 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (Taffy [0]) that can be used standalone and is widely used accross the Rust UI ecosystem, including in the Blitz [1] web engine (which also uses Taffy for Flexbox and Block layout) This is the first time I hear about Blitz. Looks equally interesting and ambitious. It is probably the real undercover web engine. Servo was widely known around when Rust debuted.

Questions for the Rust UX experts: Is Dioxus (or Leptos) much more performant than Tauri/Electron? I want to (1) build blindingly fast, low-latency, super performant UX for users, which precludes Tauri/Electron (something I'm currently using and unhappy about), but I also want to (2) maintain developer velocity, (3) have access to nice UX primitives and widgets, and (4) have it look nice and modern. Javascript/browse…

Slint recently added Bevy support. I’ve been keeping an eye on it since I’ve used Qt and love working in Qml.
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