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Re: Stargate Norway

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

ben_w wrote: post #110
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>pulling away from US big tech Stock price says otherwise. Probably because replacing MS Office with Libre Office doesn't really mean much while still running your digital infrastructure on US services, US chips and US phones. Lemme know when EU creates its own You Tube. >And they seem more than happy to take our scientific researchers. Who's taking who's researchers? Got any examples. From what I saw Linus Torvalds…

> Lemme know when EU creates its own You Tube. March 15, 2005. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dailymotion > Who's taking who's researchers? Got any examples. From what I saw Linus Torvalds is still in US. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00938-y I wouldn't call Linus a "scientific researcher". He's an engineer, and that's also a group that economies need, but he's not a scientist, and not a researcher. Unfor…

>https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00938-y

I can only read the title due to paywall, but that doesn't answer the question that I made to your comment that someone is stealing someone else's researchers. I asked for hard examples of researchers being stolen that back up your point.

>He's an engineer, and that's also a group that economies need

And why is he and the rest like him in the US and not in Europe?

Re: Stargate Norway

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Post by esseph »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #111
ben_w wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Lemme know when EU creates its own You Tube. March 15, 2005. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dailymotion > Who's taking who's researchers? Got any examples. From what I saw Linus Torvalds is still in US. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00938-y I wouldn't call Linus a "scientific researcher". He's an engineer, and that's also a group that economies need, but he's not a scientist, and not a researcher. Unfor…

> https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00938-y I can only read the title due to paywall, but that doesn't answer the question that I made to your comment that someone is stealing someone else's researchers. I asked for hard examples of researchers being stolen that back up your point. >He's an engineer, and that's also a group that economies need And why is he and the rest like him in the US and not in Europe?

"Nature also analyzed its jobs board and found “that US scientists submitted 32% more applications for jobs abroad between January and March 2025 than during the same period in 2024.”

"Scientists who have felt abandoned in the U.S. are being courted by institutions across the world. Aix-Marseille University (AMU), located in France, "introduced eight U.S.-based researchers who were in the final stage of joining the institution's 'Safe Place for Science' program, which aims to woo researchers who have experienced or fear funding cuts under the Trump administration," said Politico. The program has received close to 300 applications from some of the top institutions in the U.S."

Source: https://theweek.com/science/scientists-refugees-research-tru...

"There are also new scientific refugees in the making. Trump's "big, beautiful bill" calls for a 56% cut to the National Science Foundation budget and a 73% reduction in staff and fellowships. It also cuts resources from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Environmental Protection Agency, Department of Agriculture and U.S. Geological Service. There is a "whole generation of young scientists who see no pathway into the field for them,""

https://www.reddit.com/r/AmerExit/comments/1ked2hy/which_cou...

Re: Stargate Norway

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Post by ben_w »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #111
ben_w wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Lemme know when EU creates its own You Tube. March 15, 2005. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dailymotion > Who's taking who's researchers? Got any examples. From what I saw Linus Torvalds is still in US. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00938-y I wouldn't call Linus a "scientific researcher". He's an engineer, and that's also a group that economies need, but he's not a scientist, and not a researcher. Unfor…

> https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00938-y I can only read the title due to paywall, but that doesn't answer the question that I made to your comment that someone is stealing someone else's researchers. I asked for hard examples of researchers being stolen that back up your point. >He's an engineer, and that's also a group that economies need And why is he and the rest like him in the US and not in Europe?

> I asked for hard examples of researchers being stolen that back up your point.

"Stolen" is a far cry from "taken". Researchers are not property, they have free will. And in this case, it's "taken" in the sense of "taken on" or "taken in", because the USA is actively cutting science and research budgets.

So, you want what, a dozen names of people you've likely never heard of because most researchers are not celebrities?

Or you could ask Shelly Sakiyama-Elbert, the vice dean of research and graduate education at UW Medicine, who said "We’re going to have a big brain drain in the U.S. of these really talented folks, … It’s not just a switch that you flip, right? If people move out into another direction with their careers, they often don’t come back." - https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/one-countrys-lead...

There's some pseudonymous examples here, too: https://english.elpais.com/science-tech/2025-03-27/us-scient...

> And why is he and the rest like him in the US and not in Europe?

Why did he go to the USA in the first place? Because of the different world in 1997 when he graduated.

Why is he still there? Everyone's different, but I can say that the older you get, more ties you have. After Brexit, I was free to move to Germany, but my brother, a decade older and with a family, couldn't even though he was interested.

Re: Stargate Norway

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Post by 290tra »

0points wrote: post #59
TeMPOraL wrote: post #8

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Huh. I guess I'm old now, but my first thought was obviously the interstellar transportation device with a big honkin' rotary dial to select your destination. ᐰ

In Norway, we call them Å.

Star riddle. (Stargåte)

Re: Stargate Norway

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Post by kingofmen »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #91
qoez wrote: post #45

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A big reason to not do it lower down in europe is also just that it's naturally very cold in northern norway so you already save on energy that would be needed to cool it. Meta has datacenters at around the same latitude but in sweden for the same reason.

You might even be able to sell some of that heat to a local heat network to supply other businesses and homes.

Indeed the article explicitly says they intend to do so.

Re: Stargate Norway

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Post by benhurmarcel »

mrjay42 wrote: post #97
danielscrubs wrote: post #27

”While in Norway, OpenAI will also engage with government officials to explore opportunities for collaboration, including boosting AI adoption and helping to deliver on Norway’s sovereign AI goals for the benefit of its people.” Aka, Snowden thought us nothing. Norwegians beware of ChatGPT used as a weapon to move oil money from the people to the ”future of business ”.

Worked in Norway for six years in a research lab (50% private | 50% public). First thing I noticed when I arrived: they are using Google for emails, sharing documents, drives, meetings, research projects, etc. The loss of sovereignty that this represents AND the major risk for leaks/theft is MAD. It was a research lab entirely focused on tech/CS/computational science So it's not like they don't know stuff about techn…

It’s not specific to those countries. In France for example, major companies store their data (including research) on Microsoft or Google servers.

For modern collaboration tools you don’t have that many options.

Re: Stargate Norway

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Post by dumbledoren »

mrjay42 wrote: post #97
danielscrubs wrote: post #27

”While in Norway, OpenAI will also engage with government officials to explore opportunities for collaboration, including boosting AI adoption and helping to deliver on Norway’s sovereign AI goals for the benefit of its people.” Aka, Snowden thought us nothing. Norwegians beware of ChatGPT used as a weapon to move oil money from the people to the ”future of business ”.

Worked in Norway for six years in a research lab (50% private | 50% public). First thing I noticed when I arrived: they are using Google for emails, sharing documents, drives, meetings, research projects, etc. The loss of sovereignty that this represents AND the major risk for leaks/theft is MAD. It was a research lab entirely focused on tech/CS/computational science So it's not like they don't know stuff about techn…

The Nordic countries act as if they were an extension of the Angloamerican culture for some reason. They sure would object to their data being used by China or Russia for example, but American companies doing it doesnt pose a problem. But France has its own national identity, and it does not see itself as the extension of Angloamerica. So its natural that Angloamerican corporations having unfettered access to its data would be a no no.

Re: Stargate Norway

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Post by amadeuspagel »

dumbledoren wrote: post #118
mrjay42 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worked in Norway for six years in a research lab (50% private | 50% public). First thing I noticed when I arrived: they are using Google for emails, sharing documents, drives, meetings, research projects, etc. The loss of sovereignty that this represents AND the major risk for leaks/theft is MAD. It was a research lab entirely focused on tech/CS/computational science So it's not like they don't know stuff about techn…

The Nordic countries act as if they were an extension of the Angloamerican culture for some reason. They sure would object to their data being used by China or Russia for example, but American companies doing it doesnt pose a problem. But France has its own national identity, and it does not see itself as the extension of Angloamerica. So its natural that Angloamerican corporations having unfettered access to its dat…

Maybe the nordic countries just have very similar value to the anglosphere and therefore they trust each other? That doesn't mean one is an extension of the other.
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