‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler • Hacker News Board

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by wds » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 2:12 PM UTC

echelon_musk wrote: post #99

tedivm wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't an occupation, it's an ethnic cleansing.

Deuteronomy 9:4 > After the Lord your God has driven them out before you, do not say to yourself, “The Lord has brought me here to take possession of this land because of my righteousness.” No, it is on account of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord is going to drive them out before you. I think there is a common belief that Israel was "given" the land beyond the Jordan because they were God's chosen people…

Keep in mind this was written by man.

People are being murdered thousands of years later because of the ancient Judea equivalent of 'Harry Potter', and the batshit insane people who still believe it in earnest.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by kzrdude » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 2:13 PM UTC

wafflemaker wrote: post #19

Last night I went to bed late and my wife had trouble sleeping. She said that she is afraid of the world where a state can decide that they will plannedly un-live whole other nation and nobody is willing to do anything about that. We're both from the country where most of the planned un-living of the First Holocaust were performed. We recently discussed how in a street poll, half of Polish population couldn't solve a…

I think you are right to have doubts. Europe was sincere when it said Russia must not be allowed to unilaterally invade and occupy other countries. Because that is the starting point to what you said, the unilateral murder or expulsion of whole peoples and nations.

If we look backwards in time, we come from a very violent history, but politics and technology has continuously reshaped how it happens. For example wars post industrialism were much more murderous than ever before.

The long arch view(?) seems to be that the post-WWII era has ended and something new is coming around the corner. It looks like an era of bigger empires but without the single superpower.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by carefulfungi » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 2:14 PM UTC

wonderwonder wrote: post #100

carefulfungi wrote: post #91

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Collective punishment and mass starvation of children violates my morality and is not an action I want my government to take in any circumstance. I also speculate that it will be ineffective at preventing future violence. Feelings like yours work in both directions - the residents of Gaza, by your point of view, are equally justified to kill more Israelis to avenge the violence being done to them today.

So to be clear because I want you to say it: There is a line at which you would tell the government to stop and let your children die and allow the rape and murder of your wife to go unpunished. Or is it safe to assume you are unmarried and have no children? If you do have kids then every time you look them in the eye you should acknowledge that you would let them die due to your morality. Which if true, that's fine.…

That's correct. I would not kill a million unarmed people and hundreds of thousands of children, or ask someone else to do it for me, to compel the return of my family.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by HDThoreaun » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 2:14 PM UTC

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #69

OutOfHere wrote: post #57

The game theory, as per recent events, is as follows: 1. Hamas doesn't accept a two-state solution. 2. Israel is therefore forced into implementing a one-state solution.

It looks like israel is the one rejecting 2-state solutions* * - 2-state means 2 co-equal states, with equal people, and equal rights (including the equal right to be safe from the other)

Hamas has quite literally never been open to anything like this. Israel no longer is, but they definitely were before the second intafada.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by ImPostingOnHN » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 2:15 PM UTC

pif wrote: post #108

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> She said that she is afraid of the world where a state can decide that they will plannedly un-live whole other nation and nobody is willing to do anything about that. > You may explain her that this is a different face of the same world where a state has been targeted by hatred and terrorism for 80 years, and everybody insisted on them being patient and just live with it. Being upset at the world and unwilling to…

Being upset at the world is not a valid justification for terrorism, either.

Being upset at what you believe to be terrorism is, thankfully, not a valid justification for ethnic cleansing and genocide, either.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by pif » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 2:16 PM UTC

saubeidl wrote: post #75

pif wrote: post #71

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It's two violent ethnoreligious fascist movements with dreams of cleansing the land - that they both think was promised to them by God! - of the unbelievers. Only one of them enjoys the support of the West and it's coincidentally the one that is currently succeeding at realizing their vision.

It would have succeeded decades ago if the West hadn't put so much pressure on them to just swallow it.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by superzamp » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 2:16 PM UTC

ml-anon wrote: post #2

This has been happening regularly over the course of decades on the West Bank but no-one is willing to call it "Terrorism" and therefore respond appropriately.

Well, France just took a stance and officially qualified this as terrorism [1] for the first time.

[1] https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/dossiers-pays/israel-terri...

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 2:17 PM UTC

HDThoreaun wrote: post #114

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks like israel is the one rejecting 2-state solutions* * - 2-state means 2 co-equal states, with equal people, and equal rights (including the equal right to be safe from the other)

Hamas has quite literally never been open to anything like this. Israel no longer is, but they definitely were before the second intafada.

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Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by wds » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 2:17 PM UTC

tiahura wrote: post #92

alkyon wrote: post #87

In ideal world international peacekeeping forces would be deployed in Gaza. The peace and two state solution could only be enforced by imposing severe sanctions on Israel including possibility of aerial NATO strikes like in the former Yugoslavia.

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Assuming the entirety of history began on October 7th, 2023, this is true.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by reverendsteveii » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 2:19 PM UTC

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

ml-anon wrote: post #2

This has been happening regularly over the course of decades on the West Bank but no-one is willing to call it "Terrorism" and therefore respond appropriately.

It's even worse than that. Israel's minister of the security services is ideologically aligned with the terrorists, and has openly supported their causes all his life. A quite unprecedented situation, I think!

we're precedenting it in the united states. our government is deeply ideologically aligned with the people committing the vast majority of domestic terrorism in this country.