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Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by cedws »

There’s only one way unlimited plans work: either the seller gets scammed, or the buyer does.

When companies sell unlimited plans, they’re making a bet that the average usage across all of those plans will be low enough to turn a profit.

These people “abusing” the plan are well within their right to use the API as much as they want. It just didn’t fall into the parameters Anthropic had expected.

LLM subscriptions need to go away, why can’t we just pay as we go? It’s the fairest way for everyone.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by zwnow »

johnisgood wrote: post #81
zwnow wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What people don't realize is that love isn't just having butterflies in your stomach all the time. Love changes over time, and saying I will love you forever is reasonable if sincere. I love all of my friends and I will love them forever. If I say that to my SO I mean it, even if we separate. People just want the initial rush of love until the chemicals fade.

That is true. Love, to me, is commitment. We no longer feel that rush we felt in the beginning. Things may be calm, which people mistake for boredom, which they mistake for doing something wrong or something is being wrong. People tend to move on after the "honeymoon phase", and keep repeating it ad infinitum. I have exes. I do not hate them, we never separated on bad terms. I do not love them romantically, however.…

Trust is really important to me and I couldnt forgive a cheater, but that does not mean I won't love the person they are. Sure I would be hurt which is human, and I would definitely cut them out of my life, but there will forever be the part of them that I love. Otherwise I wouldn't have been this hurt.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by alt227 »

jennyholzer wrote: post #67
conartist6 wrote: post #32

"I firmly believe that AI will not replace developers, but a developer using AI will replace a developer who does not." Ugh, anyone who says that and really believes it can no longer see common sense through the hype goggles. It's just stupid and completely 100% wrong, like saying all musicians will use autotune in the future because it makes the music better. It's the same as betting that there will be no new invent…

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Typical opinion of someone who has not yet tried developing with ai.

When you finally give it a go you will feel stupid for having this opinion.

I did.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

kqr wrote: post #75
dcminter wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One does find it occasionally. My mobile phone plan (in Sweden) currently says that I have 774G left of my 25G/month quota for example :)

One might wonder why you pay for a plan with 25 GB/mo when you use so little that you have over 2.5 years of it saved! I thought I had a low usage with my 1.5 years' worth saved. Only reason I paysfor that plan is anything lower and my provider does not offer rollover.

Sometimes these are the smallest usable packages.

Eg here in slovenia, if you want unlimited calls and texting, you get 150GB in your "package" for 9.99eur, but you somehow can't save that data for the next month.

https://www.hot.si/ponudba/paketi.html (not affiliated)

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by jstummbillig »

This is such a lame take. What exactly is the proposed solution, practically, in a industry where nothing is predictable and everything moves super quickly? Just be conservative and don't try things that can escalate?

Let people cook and give them some time find out how to do this. Voice discontent but don't be an asshole.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by vertoc »

thimabi wrote: post #63
TrackerFF wrote: post #23

When you offer "unlimited", you're immediately exposing yourself to the 0.1% of userbase that will absolutely treat it is unlimited. Whale users/hoarders. This has been a known problem since the dawn of hosting...hell, it goes back to times before computers. One thing I miss for the other users, i.e. the casual users that never use anywhere near of their quota, is rollover. If you haven't used your quota this month,…

Things would be much easier if, instead of “unlimited”, companies simply offered great usage limits. Yes, hoarders would still exist, but their impact would be negligible. Even better: provide a counter displaying both remaining usage available and the quota reset time. But companies probably earn so much money from the vast majority of users that having good and clear limits would only empower them to actually benef…

I think the hard part with these ai models is it’s kind of hard to figure out how many tokens you’re going to use, especially as a new user. 4,000 tokens sounds like a lot for instance, but is tiny

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by [deleted] »

thimabi wrote: post #63
TrackerFF wrote: post #23

When you offer "unlimited", you're immediately exposing yourself to the 0.1% of userbase that will absolutely treat it is unlimited. Whale users/hoarders. This has been a known problem since the dawn of hosting...hell, it goes back to times before computers. One thing I miss for the other users, i.e. the casual users that never use anywhere near of their quota, is rollover. If you haven't used your quota this month,…

Things would be much easier if, instead of “unlimited”, companies simply offered great usage limits. Yes, hoarders would still exist, but their impact would be negligible. Even better: provide a counter displaying both remaining usage available and the quota reset time. But companies probably earn so much money from the vast majority of users that having good and clear limits would only empower them to actually benef…

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Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

#119

Post by [deleted] »

thimabi wrote: post #63
TrackerFF wrote: post #23

When you offer "unlimited", you're immediately exposing yourself to the 0.1% of userbase that will absolutely treat it is unlimited. Whale users/hoarders. This has been a known problem since the dawn of hosting...hell, it goes back to times before computers. One thing I miss for the other users, i.e. the casual users that never use anywhere near of their quota, is rollover. If you haven't used your quota this month,…

Things would be much easier if, instead of “unlimited”, companies simply offered great usage limits. Yes, hoarders would still exist, but their impact would be negligible. Even better: provide a counter displaying both remaining usage available and the quota reset time. But companies probably earn so much money from the vast majority of users that having good and clear limits would only empower them to actually benef…

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Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

#120

Post by alt227 »

TrackerFF wrote: post #23

When you offer "unlimited", you're immediately exposing yourself to the 0.1% of userbase that will absolutely treat it is unlimited. Whale users/hoarders. This has been a known problem since the dawn of hosting...hell, it goes back to times before computers. One thing I miss for the other users, i.e. the casual users that never use anywhere near of their quota, is rollover. If you haven't used your quota this month,…

I havent seen the word unlimited used in advertising without an asterisk for a long long time.
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