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GLM-4.5: Reasoning, Coding, and Agentic Abililties

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Re: GLM-4.5: Reasoning, Coding, and Agentic Abililties

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Post by bbor »

bluelightning2k wrote: post #16

We have x.ai and z.ai, but why? (Sorry... dad joke.)

A) heh. Always love a good dad joke, never apologize! I'm not sure many zoomers made it on here anyway, lets be real.

B) That's honestly interesting, to be boring for a moment. I've been fascinated with super basic names ever since I saw Vercel's giant billboard in the center of SF bragging about snagging `ai` on the npm registry!

I thought single-letter domain names were banned in the 90s except for a handful of grandfathered ones, but turns out that was just for .com and .net[1] -- .ai is open for business! So far, wikipedia just lists c.ai (CharacterAI) and x.ai (Grok), so I'll have to add this exciting new one to the list.

Towards your joke, y.ai is for sale by a Chinese phone number, and it seems interest has shot up in reaction to GLM4.5! Of the rest,

  - Broken apps/underused: a, d, f, i, l, t, v 
  - For sale from China for best offer: b, h, k, k, m, n, u, y
  - For sale for a specific value: j: $3M (!!!)
  - Used: 
    - c: CharacterAI
    - e: An everything app?
    - g: Google (of course)
    - o: some very rich guy[2] who also owns "Neuro.ai" & "Soul.ai" and makes chat avatars
    - p: marketing SaaS that redirects to programmai.com (baffling choice)
    - q: ...something ominous?[3]
    - r: E-Commerce SaaS
    - s: some *awesome* activist programmer named Sai's old-school landing page (by far the best one!)
    - w: distributed computing project to "build distributed superintelligence" 
    - x: Twitter
    - z: The third largest AI company in China![4]
Honestly my biggest takeaways are 1) Someone in China had the prescience to go on a buying spree, and 2) not a single YCombinator firm snagged one! I guess "needs YCombinator" and "has millions to spend on a vanity URL" turn out to be mututally exclusive descriptors...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-letter_second-level_dom...

[2] https://www.crunchbase.com/person/jason-hadjioannou

[3] https://www.linkedin.com/company/q-a-i/about/

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhipu_AI

Re: GLM-4.5: Reasoning, Coding, and Agentic Abililties

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Post by stx5 »

oc1 wrote: post #31
SubiculumCode wrote: post #3

Chinese company? Kind of hard to pin down.

"is china a democracy?" .. though process started very reasonable at first and then i got this as the final answer: > Uh-oh! There was an issue with the response. Content Security Warning: The content may contain inappropriate content.

oh really？ China considers itself a democracy with its own characteristics. According to China's White Paper "China: Democracy That Works" published by the State Council Information Office, China practices "whole-process people's democracy," which integrates process and results democracy, procedural and substantive democracy, direct and indirect democracy, and people's democracy and state will.

China's democracy is described as "people's democracy" where people are the masters of the country, which is considered the essence and core of China's democracy. The Chinese perspective emphasizes that democracy is not a decorative item but a means to solve problems that need to be addressed by the people.

However, China's democratic system differs from Western democratic models, which typically feature multi-party systems, competitive elections, and separation of powers. China argues that democracy takes different forms rooted in each country's historical and cultural traditions, and that its model represents "the most extensive, most genuine, and most effective socialist democracy."

The classification of China as a democracy ultimately depends on the definition of democracy one uses, as different countries and scholars have varying criteria for what constitutes a democratic system.

Re: GLM-4.5: Reasoning, Coding, and Agentic Abililties

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Post by dash2 »

tough wrote: post #96
arresin wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess that’s the one of the benefits of their political system. Once they have a clear focus they can go all out on it—-instruct all high schools to start teaching it, etc

yep this literally happens with both AI + robotics at the government + education + business + district levels

Slightly OT but when I hear a set of short comments like this, all agreeing with each other, I become very suspicious. It just doesn't seem like a natural conversation.

Re: GLM-4.5: Reasoning, Coding, and Agentic Abililties

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Post by majormajor »

littlestymaar wrote: post #64
XenophileJKO wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Routing can happen at the request level.

Then you need to reprocess the previous conversation from scratch when switching from one provider to another, which sounds very expensive for no reason.

Take a look at the API calls you'd use to build your own chatbot on top of any of the available models. Like https://docs.anthropic.com/en/api/messages or https://platform.openai.com/docs/api-reference/chat - you send the message history each time. You can even lie about that message history!

You can utilize caching like https://platform.openai.com/docs/guides/prompt-caching and note that "Cache hits are only possible for exact prefix matches within a prompt" and that the cache contains "Messages: The complete messages array, encompassing system, user, and assistant interactions." and "Prompt Caching does not influence the generation of output tokens or the final response provided by the API. Regardless of whether caching is used, the output generated will be identical." So it's matching and avoiding the full reprocessing, but in a functionally identical way as reprocessing the whole conversation from scratch. Consider if the server with your conversation history crashed. It would be replayed on one without the cache.

Re: GLM-4.5: Reasoning, Coding, and Agentic Abililties

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Post by MaxPock »

dash2 wrote: post #113
tough wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yep this literally happens with both AI + robotics at the government + education + business + district levels

Slightly OT but when I hear a set of short comments like this, all agreeing with each other, I become very suspicious. It just doesn't seem like a natural conversation.

Do you think two comments agreeing that the Chinese government has mandated the teaching of AI and robotics in high schools is suspicious?

Re: GLM-4.5: Reasoning, Coding, and Agentic Abililties

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Post by azinman2 »

oceanplexian wrote: post #99
audinobs wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is especially stupid because there is nothing analogous to Tiananmen Square in the west. On the other hand, have it write a dirty joke. It just wrote me a few jokes that silicon value wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole. Not sure about the utility overall though. The chain of thought seems incredibly slow on things that Sonnet would have done in a few seconds from my limited testing.

Actually there is, fire up OpenAI or Claude and ask it for crime statistics. I did and it lectured me on why it was inappropriate to ask such a wrongthink question. At least the Chinese models will politely refuse instead of gaslighting the user.

I just did and it gave them to me. What did you write in your prompt?

Re: GLM-4.5: Reasoning, Coding, and Agentic Abililties

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Post by fnordsensei »

drakenot wrote: post #80

The commentary around every Chinese model is incredibly disappointing. Asking about Tiananmen Square isn't some clever insight. Look at the political leanings that government-backed AIs in the United States will soon be required to reflect: those of the current administration. I was hoping to hear from people reporting on their utility or coding capabilities instead.

No, you've got it wrong. If US models are suddenly required to praise their monarch, or hide his past affiliations or whatever, that warrants them more critique.

Chinese models aren't don't become exempt "because the US is also bad", they both rightfully become targets of criticism.

Other than that, testing the boundaries of the model with a well-established case is very common when evaluating models, and not only with regards to censorship.

Re: GLM-4.5: Reasoning, Coding, and Agentic Abililties

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Post by smcleod »

emerald_rat903 wrote: post #13

I typed "Hello" in their chat [1] and it replied back with "Hello! I'm Claude, an AI assistant created by Anthropic. How can I help you today?" Hmmm.... [1] https://chat.z.ai/

> Hello! I'm GLM-4.5, a large language model developed by Zhipu AI (智谱AI). I'm based on the GLM (General Language Model) architecture, which is a transformer-based neural network design.

Re: GLM-4.5: Reasoning, Coding, and Agentic Abililties

#120

Post by honeyshii »

TechDebtDevin wrote: post #44
brailsafe wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cool to know about, but I'm starting to get the impression that watching an LLM spit out hundreds of lines of rudimentary css is like the new buying a car to drive to the grocery store. When we look back on how we've trained ourselves to forget how to tolerate walking or design neighborhoods for livability, will we be happy we sacrificed the insects and air quality to do so? Not intended to be dismissive though, I do…

Also no fun, I didn't learn how to code to be the project manager for an artifically intelligent machine.

AI writes code, I drink coffee and watch it write code.
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