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Beetroot juice lowers blood pressure by changing oral microbiome: study

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Re: Beetroot juice lowers blood pressure by changing oral microbiome: study

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Post by fernmyth »

dathinab wrote: post #100
papercrane wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lead pipes theory is mostly just pop-science. Romans were likely getting more lead exposure from using lead cooking vessels and utensils.

also lead flavoring lead tastes sweet, sugar wasn't cheaply & widely available, honey is expensive etc. and knowledge about lead poisoning was not really a think AFIK at the same time lead pipes tend to gain a crust of chalk over time (depending on chalk content of the water) which mostly defuses their danger. Like you will find some very old houses with lead tape water pipes in the EU today but if you test their tap…

Here's Vitruvius in "De Architectura" claiming it's common, easily verified knowledge: https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Vitruvius...

Of course, him mentioning "Don't do this" suggests that lead water pipes into the home were common enough to need a warning against.

Re: Beetroot juice lowers blood pressure by changing oral microbiome: study

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Post by adastra22 »

riffraff wrote: post #20
hotpotat wrote: post #12

If you have trouble in bed, ask yourself if you use Listerine. It kills your mouth’s microbiome and lowers your Nitric Oxide production [0]. [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31709856/

I don't use Listerine but I didn't get this: trouble in bed of what kind? I couldn't get it from the linked article. I never knew high blood pressure correlates with bad sleep or bad sex (if anything, meds for high blood pressure come with negative effects on that).

> I never knew high blood pressure correlates with bad sleep or bad sex.

I don't know about bad sleep, but definitely bad sex. ED is an early indicator of hypertension.

Re: Beetroot juice lowers blood pressure by changing oral microbiome: study

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Post by adastra22 »

papercrane wrote: post #8
bognition wrote: post #3

Back in school I was often told the lead pipes in Roman aqueducts likely played a key role in the fall of Roman. We know lead is a poison with negative long term effects on cognition. The aqueducts were also responsible for Romes ability to proliferate and grow. Lead was both a blessing and a curse. I wonder what future generations will say about our highly enriched and processed diets. Calories have never been cheap…

The lead pipes theory is mostly just pop-science. Romans were likely getting more lead exposure from using lead cooking vessels and utensils.

Which continued pretty much into the modern age. Nothing specifically Roman about it.

Re: Beetroot juice lowers blood pressure by changing oral microbiome: study

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Post by kaleinator »

Aurornis wrote: post #94
christophilus wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You shouldn’t use mouthwash at all ever. It’s a nuke to the microbes in your mouth. There was a long, rambling discussion with a functional dentist on the Primal Podcast[0] that goes into this. [0] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jNrm-9sp-RQ

> long, rambling discussion with a functional dentist on the Primal Podcast I don’t know what a “functional dentist” is, but the term “functional medicine” is used to describe alternative medicine doctors. They traditional misinterpret studies and exaggerate their impacts, focusing on small studies in mice or theoretical in vitro studies and then extrapolating those to treatment decisions.

In my own personal experience (chronic pain), "Real Doctors" seem to want to shove pills down your throat because "they work", or give things like steroid shots which have negative long term effects. Whereas "Functional Doctors" are willing to try more traditional things because historically they have seemed to produce good results and are typically less intrusive (but may require more effort from the patient).

So I can see "Functional Dentist" being more like a dentist that is willing to try more ways to save teeth & gums by using more traditional methods (eg. Balancing the oral microbiome, suggesting softer foods more often), rather than a "Real Dentist" suggesting extractions or root canals without ever mentioning the hardness of foods or oral microbiome.

Re: Beetroot juice lowers blood pressure by changing oral microbiome: study

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #22

Comfortable and uninterrupted sleeping, eating mostly plants, and getting your heart rate up and muscles moving for half an hour per day. Anything else is going from 90% healthy to 99%.

Does caffeine consumption out watching horror films (to greet your heart rate up higher than normal) count, or does it have to be strenuous cardio?

Re: Beetroot juice lowers blood pressure by changing oral microbiome: study

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Post by dathinab »

fernmyth wrote: post #111
dathinab wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

also lead flavoring lead tastes sweet, sugar wasn't cheaply & widely available, honey is expensive etc. and knowledge about lead poisoning was not really a think AFIK at the same time lead pipes tend to gain a crust of chalk over time (depending on chalk content of the water) which mostly defuses their danger. Like you will find some very old houses with lead tape water pipes in the EU today but if you test their tap…

Here's Vitruvius in "De Architectura" claiming it's common, easily verified knowledge: https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Vitruvius... Of course, him mentioning "Don't do this" suggests that lead water pipes into the home were common enough to need a warning against.

interesting

> "Don't do this" suggests that lead water pipes into the home were common enough to need a warning against.

sadly, they still are today sometimes, in areas with a lot of 125+year old infrastructure :/

Re: Beetroot juice lowers blood pressure by changing oral microbiome: study

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Post by storus »

hotpotat wrote: post #12

If you have trouble in bed, ask yourself if you use Listerine. It kills your mouth’s microbiome and lowers your Nitric Oxide production [0]. [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31709856/

Humming increases NO as well. Maybe you should hum after taking Listerine for a while? I thought one of Listerine's main (unwritten) selling points was that it helps with sex (smell, prophylaxis for STIs).

Re: Beetroot juice lowers blood pressure by changing oral microbiome: study

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Post by Beijinger »

christophilus wrote: post #9
djtango wrote: post #4

I can't remember where (maybe here) that you shouldn't use mouthwash after working out because of the effects on your oral microbiome. That fact shocked me just like this article does because it was unintuitive that your oral microbiome could have such an impact on your physiology. The effect may actually be a similar one because nitrates do sound familiar...

You shouldn’t use mouthwash at all ever. It’s a nuke to the microbes in your mouth. There was a long, rambling discussion with a functional dentist on the Primal Podcast[0] that goes into this. [0] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jNrm-9sp-RQ

You should definitely use mouthwash. For healthier teeth and problems like Alzheimer might also be correlated:

https://expatcircle.com/cms/how-to-clean-your-teeth-and-save...

Re: Beetroot juice lowers blood pressure by changing oral microbiome: study

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Post by lurking_swe »

christophilus wrote: post #9
djtango wrote: post #4

I can't remember where (maybe here) that you shouldn't use mouthwash after working out because of the effects on your oral microbiome. That fact shocked me just like this article does because it was unintuitive that your oral microbiome could have such an impact on your physiology. The effect may actually be a similar one because nitrates do sound familiar...

You shouldn’t use mouthwash at all ever. It’s a nuke to the microbes in your mouth. There was a long, rambling discussion with a functional dentist on the Primal Podcast[0] that goes into this. [0] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jNrm-9sp-RQ

there are mouthwashes that don’t nuke everything in your mouth. Just FYI in case you’re unaware. They are not popular but they exist. The added benefit is it doesn’t burn either lol.

Example: Tom’s of Maine Whole Care Natural Fluoride Mouthwash.

It’s extra beneficial if you live in a state / country that doesn’t add fluoride to drinking water.

Re: Beetroot juice lowers blood pressure by changing oral microbiome: study

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Post by Beijinger »

Beijinger wrote: post #118
christophilus wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You shouldn’t use mouthwash at all ever. It’s a nuke to the microbes in your mouth. There was a long, rambling discussion with a functional dentist on the Primal Podcast[0] that goes into this. [0] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jNrm-9sp-RQ

You should definitely use mouthwash. For healthier teeth and problems like Alzheimer might also be correlated: https://expatcircle.com/cms/how-to-clean-your-teeth-and-save...

Why the downvote? The evidence is strong. I rinse daily with sugar alcohols.
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