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Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by pmlnr »

tjs8rj wrote: post #58
krapp wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's a much bigger question why, such a completely natural and normal thing, like nudity, in the supposed to be educated - at least in basic biology - 2025, be made and exclusive thing. Western culture and its morals around sex, gender and nudity are founded on the patriarchal taboos of the Abrahamic religions, whereby human nudity in general, and female nudity in particular (because women are the source of original…

So China and Japan are abrahamic? India is abrahamic? Every civilization on earth has norms against public nudity. Seems to be something more fundamental than blaming abrahamic religions

Japan?! The place where there's a festival of dicks? Lol. It shows how little you've seen of the world.

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Post by dcow »

nemomarx wrote: post #106
dcow wrote: post #103

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Yes. That “send your passport in” type of id verification is complete BS and everyone knows that. That’s why there is so much work going into modern cryptographic digital identity standards. You should be able to say “I have it on good authority that I’m over 18” and the other party simply computes the hash of that statement and checks that it matches one of the hashed claims in your digital credential. https://www.i…

No I get that people are working on it, I mean does the UK have an implementation of it for the online safety act that just went into effect? The only things I've seen are friends having to submit a photo of their ID to discord to keep using it, etc. The GP was talking about the British version of this specifically right

The NIST link talks about the EU version of this. IDK specifically if the British govt has their head up their ass or not and I’m sorry if they do. The EU and industry standards all support selective disclosure today (there are at least mature standards drafts) and people are working on incorporating ZPKs. The thing Discord does is how you have to solve this problem if you don’t have digital ID. And unfortunately it will exist for quite a time to fill the gaps until digital ID fully proliferates.

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by krapp »

tjs8rj wrote: post #58
krapp wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's a much bigger question why, such a completely natural and normal thing, like nudity, in the supposed to be educated - at least in basic biology - 2025, be made and exclusive thing. Western culture and its morals around sex, gender and nudity are founded on the patriarchal taboos of the Abrahamic religions, whereby human nudity in general, and female nudity in particular (because women are the source of original…

So China and Japan are abrahamic? India is abrahamic? Every civilization on earth has norms against public nudity. Seems to be something more fundamental than blaming abrahamic religions

The context of this thread and the linked article implies that we aren't discussing every civilization on Earth. I apologize for not explicitly having stated that, sometimes I forget that this is HN, where nuance and context go to die.

Norms against nudity within Western societies - excluding non-Western societies such as in China, Japan and India - are based on Abrahamic religions.

It is true that other non-Western societies also have norms regarding nudity, but those norms are not the same as in the West, and even within the West and other Christianized nations such norms tend to be more permissive than in the US. To give an example, in the US breastfeeding is considered implicitly sexual and thus allowing it in public spaces is controversial, whereas this is not the case in cultures where any display of the female breast is considered to be pornographic. You can even find cultures where public nudity has little if any taboo at all.

So no, other than the strictly physiological need for humans to provide a layer of physical protection around their bodies by means of garments, there is nothing more fundamental going on here. Norms around nudity are entirely cultural.

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by jodrellblank »

pmlnr wrote: post #111
tjs8rj wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So China and Japan are abrahamic? India is abrahamic? Every civilization on earth has norms against public nudity. Seems to be something more fundamental than blaming abrahamic religions

Japan?! The place where there's a festival of dicks? Lol. It shows how little you've seen of the world.

The USA has people taking part in the World Naked Bike Rides and the Folsom Street Fair, but the USA has "norms against public nudity". The millions of people going outside each day are not naked or expecting to see others naked. That's a "norm" and it applies to Japan as well; clothed is normal, the exceptions are few and constrained to a few places/situations/events.

A photo of a Japanese public space, would you expect to see a) everyone clothed, b) everyone naked, c) roughly 50:50 as people choose for themselves and going naked is a perfectly acceptable thing to do which nobody thinks is weird ? (a), obviously.

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by danaris »

laurent_du wrote: post #50
macintux wrote: post #23

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The question comes down to: is nudity inherently sexual? Not everyone feels it is.

Let's be real, everyone feels nudity is inherently sexual, except on HN and probably on reddit where men love to claim that it's not. I don't know if it's virtue-signalling, sexual frustration, or something else. It does sound weird and creepy to me - grown up men who claim that naked women are not arousing, the same men who rally en masse every time pornography censorship is discussed, to complain about freedom of e…

Tell me you've never been outside the US without saying you've never been outside the US.

Taking just one example, in Finland it is extremely common for people to visit saunas, and from what I've heard, you'd be laughed at if you tried to wear clothes (or even a towel) in the sauna.

One Finn posting online I saw a while back remarked that a lot of the problems Americans have would be resolved if we all saw our grandmas naked regularly.

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by danbruc »

dcow wrote: post #100
danbruc wrote: post #90

Why is this discussion always about nudity and sexuality? Would it not be much better if children see people having fun fucking each other than seeing people murder each other in countless ways? Why is it more acceptable to show Wile E. Coyote trying to murder Road Runner by dropping anvils onto him than showing Bugs Bunny and Lola Bunny fuck each other? Ignoring for the moment that children probably find the former…

Graphic violence generally is considered adult content. Let’s not pretend slapstick comedy is the same as graphic violence. Furthermore, you/kids definitely see cartoons where one character is enamored with another (heart eyes jumping out of sockets) and pursues that character for the entirety of the episode.

I am not even talking about really graphic violence, just your run of the mill crime story, shooting your husband to get the life insurance.

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by strangecasts »

ta1243 wrote: post #33

It's not hard 1) Get any porn site that is going to obey this to instead list themselves in some open way (TXT record in DNS, blockchain, some other form of list) 2) Get any provider in the UK to block access to those lists if the account owner wants it. That's ISPs and phone providers. I'd say it should be opt in, but opt out would be a reasonable compromise. That way I can be happy that my 12 year old won't acciden…

> 1) Get any porn site that is going to obey this to instead list themselves in some open way (TXT record in DNS, blockchain, some other form of list)

Exists in the form of the "rating"/RTA tag - https://developers.google.com/search/docs/crawling-indexing/...

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by WhyNotHugo »

forinti wrote: post #9

Some Brazilian tribes had fertility festivals with dances meant to arouse the males, because simple nudity wasn't enough to get them interested in sex. So maybe making nudity less common or accessible only makes it more valuable as a sexual thing.

Indeed.

There's a strong correlation between "women force to cover themselves" and "women's bodies being an object of obsessive desire".

Countries where women MUST cover their bodies as much as possible have more of an incell culture. In countries where it's normal for women sunbathe topless, breasts aren't as sexualised of fetishised.

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by pjerem »

anthk wrote: post #10
pmlnr wrote: post #7

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So could a lot of classic art, right?

As an European with non-censored History books in my teenage years, that nudity was... boring. Women just lying in a bench with... dull, bland, faded out colours. I would need far more to get laid.

As an European with non-censored History books in my teenage years, that nudity was... ok because I was working from home today.

This picture isn’t sexual at all but it’s still Not Safe For Work in the strictest sense.

I still wouldn’t have opened it in the open space :)

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