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Re: Blip: Peer-to-peer massive file sharing

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Post by tomazsh »

NautilusWave wrote: post #109
tomazsh wrote: post #87

Hey! Blip co-founder here. We didn't expect to show up on HN, but really grateful to OP for sharing Blip. Here's a little bit more about it. We've built Blip because it's still hard to send original quality photos, videos, and large files to your devices and to other people on the internet. We’re designers and engineers, so our goal has always been to keep the product super simple on the surface, but really fast and…

What's the timeline on rolling out E2EE? Is it for paid users only?

Gold standard on all plans. Already supported for transfers between iOS and Mac devices. Android and Windows coming soon.

Re: Blip: Peer-to-peer massive file sharing

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Post by tomazsh »

mempko wrote: post #93
tomazsh wrote: post #87

Hey! Blip co-founder here. We didn't expect to show up on HN, but really grateful to OP for sharing Blip. Here's a little bit more about it. We've built Blip because it's still hard to send original quality photos, videos, and large files to your devices and to other people on the internet. We’re designers and engineers, so our goal has always been to keep the product super simple on the surface, but really fast and…

Linux support please!

We hear you :)

Re: Blip: Peer-to-peer massive file sharing

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Post by throwawayffffas »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #104
throwawayffffas wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With whose key? I am not saying the service is not trust worthy, just that there is trust involved. Trust not only they are not malicious, but also they won't have some kind of vulnerability. Plus if it's encrypted how is the other party going to read the file? The key will have to take the same path.

> Trust not only they are not malicious, but also they won't have some kind of vulnerability. Wouldn't that still be the case if relay servers didn't exist? A hacked version can send your file to the wrong person.

There is more attack surface with a server.

The vulnerability doesn't even have to be in their software, but in any piece of software they use, ssh, nginx, etc.

Re: Blip: Peer-to-peer massive file sharing

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Post by Dylan16807 »

throwawayffffas wrote: post #114
Dylan16807 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Trust not only they are not malicious, but also they won't have some kind of vulnerability. Wouldn't that still be the case if relay servers didn't exist? A hacked version can send your file to the wrong person.

There is more attack surface with a server. The vulnerability doesn't even have to be in their software, but in any piece of software they use, ssh, nginx, etc.

A compromised relay server can't access the data because it's encrypted.

A meaningful vulnerability would have to be in either the software itself or in the coordination server. That attack surface is the same whether or not you have relays.

You can reduce the attack surface to just the software if there's a way for users to verify keys manually. But again, same attack surface whether or not you have relays.

Re: Blip: Peer-to-peer massive file sharing

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Post by binary132 »

iamcalledrob wrote: post #80
ryandotsmith wrote: post #2

Does anyone have an idea of how this is built? I wonder if they are using QUIC with relay servers or something like Tailscale's DERP.

It's something closer to Tailscale DERP. We evaluated QUIC (and many other approaches). Turns out it's a lot harder than you might think to move traffic at high speed across the world, over residential-grade internet, and not drain your battery.

Did you consider Iroh and if you chose not to use it, why not?

Re: Blip: Peer-to-peer massive file sharing

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Post by lame-lexem »

abcd_f wrote: post #60
gnabgib wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cheap has many more meanings than that. It can mean comparatively inexpensive (a cheap Lamborghini), of inferior quality (cheap paperclip), miserly (he's too cheap to buy better), gained with little effort (cheap win).

Sure. Still doesn't make "cheap price" a valid combo.

could be a contraction of cheap at the price https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/cheap_at_the_price

Re: Blip: Peer-to-peer massive file sharing

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Post by skyzyx »

Teams have been building services like this for ~20 years. They very rarely stick. I agree that it’s still too hard, but the market has historically been too small. It’s at-best a hobby side project for a larger company that can afford to burn the cash.

Like Apple offers this for email for iCloud users. I think Firefox Relay offered it too. There was another company in the late 00s that offered a P2P version.

I mean _cool_, but I’ve not seen a company with this as its primary product last more than 18 months before. With that, _good luck_.

Re: Blip: Peer-to-peer massive file sharing

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throwawayffffas wrote: post #73
SquirrelOnFire wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why's that, given that files are encrypted?

With whose key? I am not saying the service is not trust worthy, just that there is trust involved. Trust not only they are not malicious, but also they won't have some kind of vulnerability. Plus if it's encrypted how is the other party going to read the file? The key will have to take the same path.

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