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Re: Writing is thinking

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Sounds profoundly anti-humanist.

What you mean by "humanist" does not seem to be what philosophers mean by it.

Sounds like "memetics" gives agency to writing as a thing independent of human beings doing writing, which is an interesting frame but also untrue.

Re: Writing is thinking

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If writing is thinking, then perhaps we should think more about what language would produce the best thinking, and does it exist? How do we go about creating it? And if thinking is dependent on language, maybe we should create a new language for artificial intelligence rather than feeding it human languages.

There's been a lot of work in this area but no definitive answer, and few constructed languages speakers [1]. I imagine the wins may be marginal, similar to the wins in dvorak vs qwerty typing.

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1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity#Artifici...

Re: Writing is thinking

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I see a lot of people say "writing is so important," and I think what they mean is "I feel really smart/good when I write." And I think what they are experiencing is that they've been assembling ideas in their heads for weeks, and only when it's all come together are they ready synthesize that information at a higher level, and they mistake this synthesis for the writing itself (rather than the writing being a sympto…

Getting stuff written down makes me realise the weak points and the errors in my thinking which I know from experience I don't find if I don't write it down.

Re: Writing is thinking

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post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you mean by "humanist" does not seem to be what philosophers mean by it.

Sounds like "memetics" gives agency to writing as a thing independent of human beings doing writing, which is an interesting frame but also untrue.

Yeah, well, that's just how the humanism meme wants to instrumentalize you at this moment.

Re: Writing is thinking

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We can't really talk about this topic without mentioning the book "How to Take Smart Notes" by Soenke Ahrens

One key takeaway is if you want to learn/remember something better, always rewrite things in your own words as both the act of writing AND paraphrasing makes it more sticky

Re: Writing is thinking

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New HN metric: how many comments do you have to scroll down on a LLM-edited/written submission before someone points it out? Triple bonus if the submission is about LLM writing and the need to think for yourself without a LLM, and still no one has pointed this out. Current page score: 333 points.

Re: Writing is thinking

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post #61

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>> But allowing calculators WILL make those who like math reach much deeper into the field than without. Have you ever run into any mathematician that praised the calculator for his/her career? I’d be really curious to read about that.

Pure math people probably don’t reach for calculators. But engineers do all the time. Back of the envelope guesstimating is bread and butter. The modern equivalent of a calculator is Excel.

> Back of the envelope guesstimating is bread and butter.

And that is not done with calculators, that is done quickly in your head by having practiced a lot of calculations manually. This is why engineer students still practice manual calculation in college in most places.

Re: Writing is thinking

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Many people here are taking away from this that substituting our own writing with the writing from an LLM is a danger for human development.

I see things more optimistically. If good writing leads to good thinking, then anything I do to improve my ability to write well transitively helps me to think well.

In that sense, I actually see a huge benefit to LLMs in improving my writing and therefore improving my thinking. Not only can I ask for detailed and powerful feedback, I can also ask for more details on background context or related topics that I wouldn't be aware of.

I believe judicious use of LLMs can make us better than we could be without them.

Re: Writing is thinking

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Writing has always been how I organize my thoughts. A lot of ideas only become clear as I work through them on the page. AI can save time, but it also makes it easy to skip the slower, more reflective parts of thinking. For me, that’s often where the real value of writing comes from.
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