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Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by positron26 »

dakiol wrote: post #25

> Gemini 2.5 PRO | Claude Opus 4 Whether it's vibe coding, agentic coding, or copy pasting from the web interface to your editor, it's still sad to see the normalization of private (i.e., paid) LLM models. I like the progress that LLMs introduce and I see them as a powerful tool, but I cannot understand how programmers (whether complete nobodies or popular figures) dont mind adding a strong dependency on a third part…

If the models are getting cheaper, better, and freer even when we use paid ones, then right now is the time to develop techniques, user interfaces, and workflows that become the inspirations and foundations of a future world of small, local, and phenomenally powerful models that have online learning, that can formalize their reason, that can bake deduction into their own weights and code.

Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by fumeux_fume »

kgwgk wrote: post #103
fumeux_fume wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to use Gemini 2.5 PRO. I was an early tester of Copilot and it was awful.

https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/reference/ai-models/suppo...

Thank you! When I was testing out Copilot I was stuck with whatever default LLM was being used. Didn't realize you could switch it out for a non-MS/OpenAI model.

Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by vorador »

jstummbillig wrote: post #107
randallsquared wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Major compilers used to not be free. Major IDEs used to not be free. There were and are a lot of non-free ones, but since the 1990s, GCC and interpreted languages and Linux and Emacs and Eclipse and a bunch of kinda-IDEs were all free, and now VS Code is one of the highest marketshare IDEs, and those are all free. Also, the most used and learned programming language is JS, which doesn't need compilers in the first…

There are free options and there continue to be non-free options. The same is true for LLMs.

When's the last time you paid for a compiler?

Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by haiku2077 »

fumeux_fume wrote: post #96
hedgehog wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GitHub Copilot is pretty easy to try within VS Code

I want to use Gemini 2.5 PRO. I was an early tester of Copilot and it was awful.

Copilot has 2.5 Pro in the settings in github.com, along with claude 4

Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by [deleted] »

on_the_train wrote: post #26
brokencode wrote: post #23

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I find it even more sad when people come out of the woodwork on every LLM post to tell us that our positive experiences using LLMs are imagined and we just haven’t realized how bad they are yet.

If LLMs were actually useful, there would be no need to scream it everywhere. On the contrary: it would be a guarded secret.

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Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by ghm2180 »

quantumHazer wrote: post #9

I'm going a little offtopic here, but I disagree with the OPs use of the term "PhD-level knowledge", although I have a huge amount of respect for antirez (beside that we are born in the same island). This phrasing can be misleading and points to a broader misunderstanding about the nature of doctoral studies, which it has been influenced by the marketing and hype discourse surrounding AI labs. The assertion that ther…

> but rather to learn how to conduct research

Further, I always assumed PhD level of knowledge meant coming up with the right questions. I would say it is at best a "Lazy Knowledge Rich worker", it won't explore hypothesis if you don't *ask it* to. A PHD would ask those questions to *themselves*. Let me give you a simple example:

The other day Claude Code(Max Pro Subscription) commented out a bunch of test assertions as a part of a related but separate test suite it was coding. It did not care to explore — what was a serious bug — why it was commenting it out because of a faulty assumption in the original plan. I had to ask it to change the plan by doing the ultra-think, think-hard trick to explore why it was failing, amend the plan and fix it.

The bug was the ORM object had null values because it was not refreshed after the commit and was fetched before by another DB session that had since been closed.*

Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by mirekrusin »

cafp12 wrote: post #82
dakiol wrote: post #25

> Gemini 2.5 PRO | Claude Opus 4 Whether it's vibe coding, agentic coding, or copy pasting from the web interface to your editor, it's still sad to see the normalization of private (i.e., paid) LLM models. I like the progress that LLMs introduce and I see them as a powerful tool, but I cannot understand how programmers (whether complete nobodies or popular figures) dont mind adding a strong dependency on a third part…

IMO It's not unlike all other "dev" tools we use at all. There are tons of free and open tools that usually lag a bit behind the paid versions. People pay for jetbrains, for mac os, and even to search the web (google ads). You have very powerful open weight models, they are not the cutting edge. Even those you can't really run locally, so you'd have to pay a 3rd party to run it. Also the competition is awesome to see…

You don't pay for macOS, you pay for apple device, operating system is free.

Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by speedgoose »

Thanks for writing this article.

I used a similar setup until a few weeks ago, but coding agents became good enough recently.

I don’t find context management and copy pasting fun, I will let GitHub Copilot Insiders or Claude Code do it. I’m still very much in the loop while doing vibe coding.

Of course it depends on the code base, and Redis may not benefit much from coding agents.

But I don’t think one should reject vibe coding at this stage, it can be useful when you know what the LLMs are doing.

Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by nojito »

roywiggins wrote: post #101
nojito wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Chatting with a llm was cutting edge for 3 years it’s only within the last 8-10 months with Claude code and Gemini cli do we have the next big change in how we interact with llms

Claude Code was released in May .

Yup. But they are improvements over what cursor was releasing over the last year or so.

Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by kelvinjps10 »

dakiol wrote: post #25

> Gemini 2.5 PRO | Claude Opus 4 Whether it's vibe coding, agentic coding, or copy pasting from the web interface to your editor, it's still sad to see the normalization of private (i.e., paid) LLM models. I like the progress that LLMs introduce and I see them as a powerful tool, but I cannot understand how programmers (whether complete nobodies or popular figures) dont mind adding a strong dependency on a third part…

Doesn't already happen with some people being unable to code without Google or similar?
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