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It's rude to show AI output to people

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Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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I really wish some of my coworkers would stop using LLMs to write me emails or even Teams messages. It does feel extremely rude, to the point I don't even want to read them anymore.

Didn't our parents go through the same thing when email came out?

My dad used to say: "Stop sending me emails. It's not the same." I'd tell him, "It's better. "No, it's not. People used to sit down and take the time to write a letter, in their own handwriting. Every letter had its own personality, even its own smell. And you had to walk to the post office to send it. Now sending a letter means nothing."

Change is inevitable. Most people just won't like it.

A lot of people don't realise that Transformers were originally designed to translate text between languages. Which, in a way, is just another way of improving how we communicate ideas. Right now, I see two things people are not happy about when it comes to LLMs:

1. The message you sent doesn't feel personal. It reads like something written by a machine, and I struggle to connect with someone who sends me messages like that.

2. People who don't speak English very well are now sending me perfectly written messages with solid arguments. And honestly, my ego doest’t like it because I used to think I was more intelligent than them. Turns out I wasn't. It was just my perception, based on the fact that I speak the language natively.

Both of these things won't matter anymore in the next two or three years.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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post #108
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are mostly posturing. I don't see any problem sharing a human-reviewed LLM output. (I also figure that human review may not be that necessary in a few years.)

But it's the human review that makes it not rude; not bothering to review means you're wasting the other person's time. If they wanted a chatbot response they could have went to the LLM directly. It's like pointing to a lmgtfy link. That's _intentionally_ rude, in that it's normally used when the question isn't worth the thought. That's what pasting a chatbot response says.

Agreed.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Whether it's LLM output is orthogonal to rudeness, lack of sensibility or generic content.There are all sorts of tools out there which use LLMs as a front end for some pretty spectacular back-end functions.

If you're offered an AI output it should be taken as one of two situations: (a) the person adopts the output, and maybe put a fair amount of effort into interacting with the LLM to get it just right, but can't honestly claim ownership (because who can), or (b) the output is outside their domain of expertise and functioning as a toehold or thumbnail in some esoteric topic that no single resource they know can, and probably the point is so specific that such a resource doesn't exist.

The tenor of the article makes me confused about what people have been doing, specifically , with ChatGPT that so alienated the author. I guess the point is there are some topics LLMs are fundamentally incompetent to perform? Maybe its more the perception that the LLM is being treated as an oracle than a tool for discovery?

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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post #111
post #4

I really wish some of my coworkers would stop using LLMs to write me emails or even Teams messages. It does feel extremely rude, to the point I don't even want to read them anymore.

Didn't our parents go through the same thing when email came out? My dad used to say: "Stop sending me emails. It's not the same." I'd tell him, "It's better. "No, it's not. People used to sit down and take the time to write a letter, in their own handwriting. Every letter had its own personality, even its own smell. And you had to walk to the post office to send it. Now sending a letter means nothing." Change is ine…

I really don’t think they’re the same thing. Email or letter, the words are yours while an LLM output isn’t.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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>> "I asked ChatGPT and this is what it said: ". > Whoa, let me stop you right here buddy, what you're doing here is extremely, horribly rude. How is it any different from "I read book and it said that..."? Or "Book has the following quote about that:"? I definitely want to know where people are getting their info. It helps me understand how trustworthy it might be. It's not rude, it's providing proper context.

I assume a book is correct or I at least assume to author thought it was correct when it comes to none ideological topics.

But you can’t assume positive intent or any intent from an LLM.

I always test the code, review it for corner cases, remove unnecessary comments, etc just like I would a junior dev.

For facts, I ask it to verify whatever says based on web source. I then might use it to summarize it. But even then I have my own writing style I steer it toward and then edit it.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

#116

I don't mind people using AI to help refine their thoughts and proof their output but when it is used in absence of their own thoughts I am starting to value that person a little bit less.

Exactly. I've already seen two very obvious AI comments on Reddit in the past 2 days. One even had the audacity to copy a real user's reply back into the AI and pass the response back again. I just blocked them since they're in a sub I like to hang out in.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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post #4

I really wish some of my coworkers would stop using LLMs to write me emails or even Teams messages. It does feel extremely rude, to the point I don't even want to read them anymore.

"Hey, I can't help but notice that some of the messages you're sending me are partially LLM-generated. I appreciate you wanting to communicate stylistically and grammatically correct, but I personally prefer the occasional typo or inelegant expression over the chance of distorted meanings or lost/hallucinated context.

Going forward, could you please communicate with me directly? I really don't mind a lack of capitalization or colloquial expressions in internal communications."

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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> For the longest time, writing was more expensive than reading. If you encountered a body of written text, you could be sure that at the very least, a human spent some time writing it down. The text used to have an innate proof-of-thought, a basic token of humanity.

> "I didn't have time to write you a short letter, so I wrote you a long one."

Quote is from Mark Twain and perfectly encapsulates the sentiment. Writing something intended for another person to read was previously an effort. Some people were good at it, some were less good. But now, everyone can generate some median-level effort.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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post #91

I love the post but disagree with the first example. "I asked ChatGPT and this is what it said: ". That seems totally fine to me. The sender put work into the prompt and the user is free to read the AI output if they choose.

I think in any real conversation, you're treating AI as this authority figure to end the conversation, despite the fact it could easily be wrong. I would extract the logic out and defend the logic on your own feet to be less rude.
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