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Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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I understand that search bar position is not changeable by theming, it's a Thunderbird team's decision, but it irks me to see it take up so much premium space. It was the same with browsers, it took many years and iterations to get where we are now (tabs on top, no wasted space) and I think those lessons should be carried over.

There is plenty wasted space in browser tabs, from close buttons to padding to rounded/non-rect corners

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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post #110
post #2

I understand that search bar position is not changeable by theming, it's a Thunderbird team's decision, but it irks me to see it take up so much premium space. It was the same with browsers, it took many years and iterations to get where we are now (tabs on top, no wasted space) and I think those lessons should be carried over.

> tabs on top, no wasted space) and I think those lessons should be carried over. hell no. I want the title bar, the scrollbars and the window border back. I work with more than one window.

How do scroll bars help manage multiple windows?

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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So much padding So much wasted space Such low information density Will collect many votes on Dribbble though.

Screens these days are huge and high resolution, and my eyes aren't getting any younger. I'm finding that I like more white space and padding as time goes on. For normal Thunderbird, I swapped from the more compact options to the most loose/padded options.

For your eyes you'd better have larger text instead of wasting the same space with floating

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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> where we are now (tabs on top, no wasted space) Tabs at the top is wasted space, I much prefer my tabs on the side instead, as most web content is taller than it is wide, and I have a widescreen monitor. I understand the choice of tabs on top when 640x480 was the most common resolution, but for desktop usage today? Tabs on top seems like an outdated layout choice.

Tree Style Tabs! Tree Style Tabs! Tree Style Tabs!

I have Tree Style Tabs on my personal computer, and Sideberry on my work computer. Sideberry is much better and much faster.

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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post #112
post #110

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> tabs on top, no wasted space) and I think those lessons should be carried over. hell no. I want the title bar, the scrollbars and the window border back. I work with more than one window.

How do scroll bars help manage multiple windows?

Makes it much easier to see where one window ends.

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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post #65

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Or just maybe click the arrow to sort by date ?

I'm going to be controversial and say that if sorting by date isn't the default in an email client, it's a broken client. That's beyond just breaking "Have sensible defaults", and is well into, "Your defaults are broken".

That's the default.

But it sounds like OPs mails were sorted differently for an unknown reason.

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Having a widescreen monitor is irrelevant to me unless I fullscreen my browser (which I don't and I assume most don't). My (multiple) browser windows on my very big wide screen are all roughly in 4:3 ~square shape and top tabs make a lot more sense. And unless you have a browser full of tabs, vertical tab lists usually have massive amounts of purely wasted white space and are generally much less space efficient overa…

> Having a widescreen monitor is irrelevant to me unless I fullscreen my browser (which I don't and I assume most don't). Are you kidding? I'm willing to bet 99% of users run their browsers fullscreen. Using the drag-and-drop feature that splits the screen between two GUIs already marks the office power user, a third windows on a single screen brings us into the territory of the hardcore nerds running tiling window m…

FWIW, I run my browser full screen. I run most apps full screen. By full screen, I don't mean that weird macos thing where it removes everything and locks you into a single app in a single workspace but the more standard one where the window is just expanded to fill the screen space.

The only time I run an app without fullscreen-ing it is if I don't have to do much in it or it doesn't have enough content to use up all the space anyways. Like system settings. Otherwise, I am using the app -> I am focusing on it -> I want it to take all the space it wants and show me everything going on inside it. My browser and my text editor are apps where I spend 99% of my time so they are always full screen.

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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post #73

Do the people who style their app actually use their app on a daily basis for long amount of time ? It seems to me the basic design of app are often the best for eye fatigue, frequent usage, recognizing which information is where fast, contrast, low margin / good usage of space etc. The current design of Thunderbird is not pretty, but it's effective. I used Thunderbird everyday for 10+ years with 100k+ emails in 10+…

> Do the people who style their app actually use their app on a daily basis for long amount of time ?

yes, I'm not wasting my time customizing something unless I use it frequently.

Not a Thunderbird user, but the Outlook default looks similar to the screenshot on the linked page. Initial things that drive me crazy; 1) left pane is a complete waste of screen real estate. I have mine collapsed to just be icons, it's about 1/6th the width as what's shown. It expands if I need it to (on tap/hover). 2) I like my inbox above my message preview not next to it. On the inbox pane, I get From & Subject on line 1 and initial message text on line 2. Same real estate with more content and context. I really like having the message preview line without actually clicking on the message.

Also, by having the message preview pane wider than tall, long paragraphs do not wrap so abruptly and I get more content on the screen. This lessens my need to scroll unless the message has a lot of paragraphs or images. Same for the initial message preview that's visible in the inbox line 2, if it's wider I can see more text. For a lot of emails, I find they are short enough that I can read it all in the inbox without even looking at the message pane. This means I can scroll/scan my inbox quickly without opening each item in the message pane to view it.

Anyways, I wouldn't care if I didn't use Outlook daily. For some people, maybe the defaults work but I feel like I get a lot of productivity out of these minor customizations

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Screens these days are huge and high resolution, and my eyes aren't getting any younger. I'm finding that I like more white space and padding as time goes on. For normal Thunderbird, I swapped from the more compact options to the most loose/padded options.

For your eyes you'd better have larger text instead of wasting the same space with floating

I do both.
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