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Re: Kite News

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Post by Brendinooo »

freediver wrote: post #2

Kagi founder here. This is prematurely shared and not ready for prime time yet. Official launch with mobile apps will happen soon. Thanks!

What kind of editorial policies will you have about how you frame stories and what kind of words you will use?

I'm a happy subscriber to Tangle News, and its founder has spent a lot of time about about how he wants to bridge ideological divides in a way that echoes "We strive for diversity and transparency of resources and welcome your contributions to widen perspectives." He talks about looking for language to avoid those divides: where one side might speak of illegal aliens and other side might speak of undocumented immigrants, Tangle picked the term unauthorized migrants.

He did a little TED talk about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=543mYKKh1EE

Anyways, just curious how you'll approach this issue. I'm interested in your project and wish you all the best!

Re: Kite News

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Post by carlosjobim »

mvieira38 wrote: post #110
carlosjobim wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who offers a better search engine?

No one from what I can tell, that's why I still pay and give a damn. But they are missing a lot of desired features: Financial: can't pay with Monero or cash, can't just buy Privacy Pass tokens instead of generating them from my account. Usability: can't access other features than Search with Privacy Pass, looking for a location doesn't pop a Maps widget, missing useful/cool search widgets from google and ddg (coinfl…

My philosophy in life is that if nobody else does it better, then I'm not going to complain about the people who are doing something.

Would I prefer they do only the search engine? Sure, but until anybody else makes something equivalent, I'm not going to complain.

Same for Apple. Are they wasting time and money on things which doesn't make sense? Sure, but in the past 20 years no other of their billion dollar competitors have even tried to make a decent laptop.

Re: Kite News

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Post by mvieira38 »

davikr wrote: post #109
mvieira38 wrote: post #85

Remember when we paid for Kagi because it was "search"? I was basically an unpaid sponsor of them for the last year or so, but damn this constant pipeline of new shiny stuff is getting on my nerves. How can a company focus on building a good search engine with a good index and algo if they are also developing a translator, an LLM assistant and now a damn news app? Please, Vlad, just build different companies and stop…

Having to use Google for translation services sucks, and I use the Assistant everyday. I hope Kagi keeps building more stuff with my money.

Different strokes, I guess. I just think search is still not there as a full Google replacement and a lot of nice-to-haves are being put on the backburner (maybe forever) for more and more features unrelated to search (I wrote out a few of those in another reply)

Re: Kite News

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Post by dartharva »

msqinfo wrote: post #81
burkaman wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please, please reconsider this product and take it offline for now. The vast majority of "information" in these stories is complete garbage. You are making up numbers, facts, quotes, and entire narratives. I made a list of examples (from just one single story) in another comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44520841 . I don't think a service like this is impossible, but it cannot be done with LLMs. They are…

I've built a similar product ( https://www.mosaique.info ), but it doesn't rely on LLMs (except for generating a very short summary). I think it offers a wider set of opinions and is much more exhaustive.

Looks like your option has a much smaller set of topics. Science, Technology, Economics and Regional news are largely absent

Re: Kite News

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Post by soerxpso »

ks2048 wrote: post #24

I clicked on a story and at the bottom, it lists "sources" (19 in this case). Following one of these sources (a lesser-known site), there is an article, and at the end it says "REUTERS". So, I guess its source was another source. Maybe a site like this should try to root-out the "root source" of information - official press releases or press conferences, eye-witness accounts. I think some editorializing is worthwhile…

> Maybe a site like this should try to root-out the "root source" of information - official press releases or press conferences, eye-witness accounts.

I'd personally pay for that. It feels like 90% of the "news" I see these days is just some site telephoning what a different reporter said. I regularly see "study finds x" articles that completely bury the original academic source. Often, "politician said x" articles that spend a lot of time going over everyone's reactions to whatever the politician said without letting me have the full video or press release where he actually said it.

This would also fix an issue I'm seeing on Kite where some stories seem to be the same thing from different angles (one article about the Texas floods is directly above an article about how the Texas floods are "testing FEMA", and there are two separate articles for the recent Trump-Netanyahu deal, one in World and one in USA. X's CEO resigning is three different articles in different feeds. The Business tab has two different articles about Trump tariffs that could really be one article).

Re: Kite News

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Post by tareqak »

How is Kagi compensating the sources for its news beyond the sources section at the bottom of each story (the part that appears after clicking a headline)?

Re: Kite News

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Post by msqinfo »

dartharva wrote: post #114
msqinfo wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've built a similar product ( https://www.mosaique.info ), but it doesn't rely on LLMs (except for generating a very short summary). I think it offers a wider set of opinions and is much more exhaustive.

Looks like your option has a much smaller set of topics. Science, Technology, Economics and Regional news are largely absent

Yes the focus is largely on international news.

Re: Kite News

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Post by mvieira38 »

olivierduval wrote: post #82
freediver wrote: post #2

Kagi founder here. This is prematurely shared and not ready for prime time yet. Official launch with mobile apps will happen soon. Thanks!

Hi First, it's a great idea! The "introductory" speech is interesting then... the result is really disappointing :-( You see: I'm French (and European). So, I don't necessarily consider that "Trump" is the center of the "World" (actually quite the opposite). However, on the "World" tab, 50% of the news are about "Trump". I would have thought that the aim of this kind of newsfeed is to challenge Trump tactic's of "new…

Your feelings against news focused on America are valid, but there's no denying that the second Trump administration is such a world-shaking event, in a scale not foreseen by mainstream media or markets, that it would be weird not to have it everywhere. "President of the richest country in history unilaterally tariffs the entire world without approval of Congress" is, like it or not, a bigger headline than Europe's endless regulatory arguments

Re: Kite News

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Post by wredcoll »

newsclues wrote: post #25
wkat4242 wrote: post #4

> World doesn't live in echo chambers. The reality emerges from the collision of different viewpoints and perspectives - that's how we separate signal from noise To be honest, when people start talking about "echo chambers" it's usually because they are upset that I won't listen to bigoted alt-right hate. For me this term has gained a really negative connotation. I understand the problem but hearing the same tired ra…

There are echo chambers on both ends of the political spectrum (and for various subcultures) but it’s obvious they are real if you are in the centre and find yourself politically homeless between two progressively extreme groups who are doing the same shit with different flavours.

Tell me more about how there are two "progressively extreme groups" but also "doing the same shit".

How do you get more centrist and status quo than freaking joe biden, hillary clinton and kamala harris? Name one "extreme" position they held.

Re: Kite News

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Post by wredcoll »

incomingpain wrote: post #101
imiric wrote: post #73

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> News never changed. It was always exactly like this. That's not true. Bias and agenda have always existed, but there was a time when news sources clearly distinguished facts from opinions. In the US the shift arguably happened in 1987 when the fairness doctrine was abolished, and for-profit media companies were given freedom to publish anything they wanted. The 24/7 news cycle was established, and news sources oper…

>That's not true. Bias and agenda have always existed, but there was a time when news sources clearly distinguished facts from opinions. In the US the shift arguably happened in 1987 when the fairness doctrine was abolished, and for-profit media companies were given freedom to publish anything they wanted. It's plausible that pre-1987 that journalism was better but I very much doubt it. There's tons of Vietnam war er…

> That's how freedom of the press works correct. If you dont have moral and integrity, good luck getting an audience.

In what world do you think this is true?

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