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GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Cmd W closes the document without quitting TextEdit. just tested on lion. Mac is document-based instead of application-based so closing document doesn't quit the app. it only does if multiple documents doesn't make sense to the application like System Preferences.

You're doing it wrong. This is the HIG quote from above: > "In general, quit when users close the last open window in your app. [...] If users close the last remaining document window in a document-based app and switch to another app, it’s appropriate to quit the app" (emphasis added). In TextEdit, close the last document and then _switch to another app_. You're missing the last step.

did it again adding the last step (switching to other app), still there though - Lion 10.7.4

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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You're doing it wrong. This is the HIG quote from above: > "In general, quit when users close the last open window in your app. [...] If users close the last remaining document window in a document-based app and switch to another app, it’s appropriate to quit the app" (emphasis added). In TextEdit, close the last document and then _switch to another app_. You're missing the last step.

did it again adding the last step (switching to other app), still there though - Lion 10.7.4

The TextEdit behavior might actually be the OS silently closing an unused application that implements the necessary hooks for saving state and indicating when clean-up is required on termination. That behavior was introduced in 10.7, but IIRC, can be disabled by the user.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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post #7

So, is this an app that bundles it's own X11, or is it using a Quartz/Cocoa backend for GTK? EDIT: I downloaded it, and the app bundle doesn't seem to have an X11, so that's nice. However, upon firing it up, it throws up a splash screen in front of all other applications. Who still thinks that's acceptable behavior on a multitasking operating system? Also, the app quits when the last window is closed, which isn't how…

Doesn't behave typically on Windows 7 either. Clicking the window close button doesn't close the app, it closes the currently open document. Also, ALT+F4 doesn't close the app either, just the current document. This is in single-window mode where closing the window should close the app.

Fortunately CTRL-Q does what it's supposed to.

Oh, and great job GIMP folks. I love GIMP and recommend it often. I've even tried to convince some folks to stop using illegal Photoshop copies and switch to GIMP instead (so far I have a 0% conversion rate).

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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post #103

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Off-topic rant: "Someone with spare time on their hands feel like adding a 'Disable splash screen' checkbox to the preferences panel?" That suggestion illustrates a common anti-pattern in open source software. Broken behavior should simply be fixed, not receive an extra option to turn it off. No one wants to have to check an "unbreak my software" checkbox.

I don't think this is necessarily broken behavior. Photoshop has a splash screen too, and from what I understand, it's there because of the long loading time.

A splash screen that can't be minimized, hidden, or covered up with a useful window is definitely broken behavior. I think it can only be implemented by abusing APIs meant for screensavers and full-screen games.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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You're doing it wrong. This is the HIG quote from above: > "In general, quit when users close the last open window in your app. [...] If users close the last remaining document window in a document-based app and switch to another app, it’s appropriate to quit the app" (emphasis added). In TextEdit, close the last document and then _switch to another app_. You're missing the last step.

did it again adding the last step (switching to other app), still there though - Lion 10.7.4

Worked for me... Mountain Lion 10.8.1.

    1) Opened TextEdit
    2) Started a document
    3) Closed document (Cmd-W)
    4) Switched to Chrome
    5) *poof* TextEdit disappeared

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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post #87

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That's odd. I don't think I've ever seen this behavior. I just tried it with Pages and the application remained open.

The behavior in question is actually very new, as it became part of the guidelines only starting with 10.7 Lion. As Lion brought forth a whole lot of similar behavioral changes (which often conflict with those of either Windows/Linux or older versions of OS X), very few apps have adapted to the new rules so far.

I think the new rules assume that apps are persisting any (invisible) state across quit/launch.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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post #87

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That's odd. I don't think I've ever seen this behavior. I just tried it with Pages and the application remained open.

The behavior in question is actually very new, as it became part of the guidelines only starting with 10.7 Lion. As Lion brought forth a whole lot of similar behavioral changes (which often conflict with those of either Windows/Linux or older versions of OS X), very few apps have adapted to the new rules so far.

I think the new rules assume that apps are persisting any (invisible) state across quit/launch.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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In general open source creative tools have come a long way - with Scribus, Gimp, Inkscape, Darktable, Ardour, Blender, etc. all being quite functional, I think there is a pretty strong argument for the 'open source creative suite' being more than capable enough for all but the most stringent professionals.

I don't know about the others, because I mainly do photo stuff ( Darktable seems decent though, and it has a been a long time since I've run linux on my desktop computer so I don't know how far it went ), but the GIMP is NOT functional in any way for a professional and a professional who is not willing to spend some dollars to get something that triples his productivity is NOT a professional. The GIMP doesn't even su…

To be honest, I don't view Gimp as a tool for working with photos. I prefer RAW editors, and find myself surprised that you wouldn't be using Lightroom or Aperture.

In fact, I don't really see Photoshop (despite its name) as a tool for working with photos, either.

I admit adjustment layers are nice, but I don't see lacking them as a fatal flaw when there are a few workarounds and, depending on the task you're trying to accomplish, might not even be an important feature.

In any case I don't really claim the open programs are currently 'better' per se (though in one or two cases it may be true or close true), just that they're more than good enough to get decent results from.

Gimp definitely has some hidden surprises.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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post #7

So, is this an app that bundles it's own X11, or is it using a Quartz/Cocoa backend for GTK? EDIT: I downloaded it, and the app bundle doesn't seem to have an X11, so that's nice. However, upon firing it up, it throws up a splash screen in front of all other applications. Who still thinks that's acceptable behavior on a multitasking operating system? Also, the app quits when the last window is closed, which isn't how…

Doesn't behave typically on Windows 7 either. Clicking the window close button doesn't close the app, it closes the currently open document. Also, ALT+F4 doesn't close the app either, just the current document. This is in single-window mode where closing the window should close the app. Fortunately CTRL-Q does what it's supposed to. Oh, and great job GIMP folks. I love GIMP and recommend it often. I've even tried to…

so far I have a 0% conversion rate

that's not surprising given that the GIMP pales by comparison to photoshop. There's just no comparison. I think the high price of Adobe Creative suite has always been there because any professional uses it and buys it, but Adobe knows there are many illegal copies used by students and they just assume they one day will get jobs and then they will be paid users, meanwhile the illegal use is subsidized by the industry who doesn't care how much it costs because it gets the job done. By comparison GIMP is a toy. I know its a pet of the open source community, but commercial software with real designers and focus groups and product managers sometimes get it right.

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