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Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Seems like a failure in quality control.

You misunderstand. There is no Quality Control you can do for these things. They're ill-conditioned function imitators. Small changes in input, yield massive changes in output. You can't QC that. You can only clean up after it.

That's completely false. You run evals.

edit: you're supposed to run evals.

Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes; this shouldn't have been flagged. 1. Major tech company 2. Major failure of a tech product 3. A public relations disaster for AI Of course this is a legitimate topic for discussion. Flagging it is bullshit.

All topics that negatively talk about Trump or Elon get flagged. I'll let you come to a conclusion as to why.

I think it's totally reasonable to flag posts about politics that don't connect to tech much (including non-tech stories about Elon/DOGE).

But then there are submissions like this one that are clearly tech-related: prominent AI alignment issues have to be topical here on HN. Or this one I recently submitted which was at the time new breaking revelations about the TikTok ban: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44461158. Also directly tech-related. And both posts have 100+ upvotes while still remaining flagged. It's definitely frustrating.

Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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post #91

Why is this still flagged? Edit: Even though my comment is gaining an increasing amount of votes, it has suddenly moved to the bottom of the comments, as though it were dead. Edit2: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44511132 (blackholed?)

Your comment also showed as collapsed by default to me just now, fwiw

Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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If this screenshot isn't omitting some truly exculpatory context (I can't imagine what kind of context would justify it), it appears to be Grok advocating for truly abhorrent behavior: https://bsky.app/profile/kthorjensen.bsky.social/post/3lti7l... Though "advocating" is probably too anthropomorphizing, I'm not sure what the right verb is for this.

It is remixing the abhorrent thoughts expressed in material on which it was trained. The humans who collected and annotated training material are responsible for this behavior.

Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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https://github.com/xai-org/grok-prompts/commit/c5de4a14feb50... git revert MechaHitler But seriously, surprising that this would be sufficient to produce the same behavior. And, frankly, the formal tone went out the window in favor of hyper-online "basedness"

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Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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What's your point, we should all wait until an actual genocide is a possibility, before we even acknowledge that a literal purpose-built nazi AI is concerning ? Even if it had nothing autonomous to it, how can "programmatic antisemitism funded by a nazi salute billionaire" ever sound ok? Also, since when is a concussion just a minor inconvenience you can brush off?

My point is that robots will not cause a genocide. The fact that we are talking about this instead of anything salient to hackers or news is evidence that we're sufficiently outraged by it. Our businesses have protocols for handling robots that present harms to their workers, our governments have contingency plans to prevent serious adversaries from attaining real power. What, if anything, is a serious depiction of how LLMs would pose a societal threat? This article certainly isn't.

If you look at pre-Nazi Germany, they collapsed for exactly the reason I described in my previous comment. Nazism didn't just manifest overnight; the German government was weakened, the economy was ruined, and the people didn't feel like their government represented them anymore. The government itself was hobbled by the Treaty of Versailles, which left them with a fully industrialized nation that was 60% unemployed, deeply in debt, and arguably unable to defend itself. The tragedy of Nazism isn't that the German people "fell for it", but instead that they perceived no other choice. It wasn't any special Nazi technology invented to destroy the government - simply MEFO bills and some under-the-table industrial influence. If you want to talk about scary stories to make bureaucrats cry, issuing two currencies at once is scarier than 10 Terminators.

Make me afraid of a MechaHitler, seriously. Make me afraid of a purpose-built Stalin, Reagan or Pol Pot AI, if you think that the simple existence of an edgy LLM is enough to endanger society. I fully intuit the danger that the Third Reich imposed on the rest of the world, and I'm asking you to explain how a functional government would allow humanoid or non-humanoid robots to possess enough sapience to interact with humans in public.

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