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Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by NewsaHackO »

timschmidt wrote: post #82
AtariATMHacker wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It seems to me like both cases raised by OP - the Disney droids and Optimus - are cases of people making assumptions and then getting upset that their assumptions were wrong and making accusations. Neither company was very forthcoming about the robots being piloted, but neither seems to be denying it either. And both seem to use RL / ML techniques to maintain balance, locomotion, etc. Not unlike Boston Dynamics' bots…

Yea, this seems like the initial poster has reading comprehension skill deficiencies and is blaming NVIDIA for lying about a point they never made. NVIDIA is even releasing some of the code they used to power the robot, which further proves that they in no way said the robot was not being operator controlled, just that it was using AI to make it’s movement look more fluid.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by kbolino »

user____name wrote: post #98
kbolino wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every kind of TAA that I've seen creates artifacts around fast-moving objects. This may sound like a niche problem only found in fast-twitch games but it's cropped up in turn-based RPGs and factory/city builders. I personally turn it off as soon as I notice it. Unfortunately, some games have removed traditional MSAA as an option, and some are even making it difficult to turn off AA when TAA and FXAA are the only opti…

The sad truth is that with rasterization every renderer needs to be designed around a specific set of antialiasing solutions. Antialiasing is like a big wall in your rendering pipeline, there's the stuff you can do before resolving and the stuff you can do afterwards. The problem with MSAA is that it is pretty much tightly coupled with all your architectural rendering decisions. To that end, TAA is simply the easiest…

There's another path, which is to raise the pixel densities so high we don't need AA (as much) anymore, but I'm going to guess it's a) even more expensive and b) not going to fix all the problems anyway.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

#113

Post by ionwake »

timschmidt wrote: post #107
ionwake wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you look at the video he says " this is real time simulation .. can you believe it" basically : https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jD5y1eQ3Y_o Yet he lists all the RL stuff that we know is used in the robot, he isnt being silent and saying " this robot is aided by AI" , or better yet, not commenting on the specifics, ( which would have been totally ok ), instead he is saying " This is real life simulation", which it i…

I have written motion control firmwares for 20+ years, and "this is real time simulation" has very domain-specific meaning to me. "Real time" means the code is responding to events as they happen, like with interrupts, and not via preemptible processing which could get out of sync with events. "simulation" is used by most control systems from simple PID loops to advanced balancing and motion planning. It is clearly -…

ok thanks

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by MichaelZuo »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #67
CoastalCoder wrote: post #17

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Not just you. I hate being lied to, especially if it's so the liar can reap some economic advantage from having the lie believed.

Yeah. I have a general rule that I don't do business with people who lie to me.

I can’t even imagine what kind of person would not follow that rule.

Do business with people that are known liars? And just get repeatedly deceived?

…Though upon reflection that would explain why the depression rate is so high.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by bob1029 »

neuroelectron wrote: post #42

Seems a bit calculated and agreed across the industry. What can really make sense of Microsoft's acquisitions and ruining of billion dollar IPs? It's a manufactured collapse of the gaming industry. They want to centralize control of the market and make it a service based (rent seeking) sector. I'm not saying they all got together and decided this together but their wonks are probably all saying the same thing. The ma…

I think the reason you see things like Blizzard killing off Overwatch 1 is because the Lindy effect applies in gaming as well. Some things are so sticky and preferred that you have to commit atrocities to remove them from use.

From a supply/demand perspective, if all of your customers are still getting high on the 5 (or 20) year old supply, launching a new title in the same space isn't going to work. There are not an infinite # of gamers and the global dopamine budget is limited.

Launching a game like TF2 or Starcraft 2 in 2025 would be viewed as a business catastrophe by the metrics most AAA studios are currently operating under. Monthly ARPU for gamers years after purchasing the Orange Box was approximately $0.00. Giving gamers access to that strong of a drug would ruin the demand for other products.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by Finnucane »

bob1029 wrote: post #89
__turbobrew__ wrote: post #49

> With over 90% of the PC market running on NVIDIA tech, they’re the clear winner of the GPU race. The losers are every single one of us. I have been rocking AMD GPU ever since the drivers were upstreamed into the linux kernel. No regrets. I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. But consumer gotta consoooooo…

> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games My favorite part about being a reformed gaming addict is the fact that my MacBook now covers ~100% of my computer use cases. The desktop is nice for Visual Studio but that's about it. I'm still running a 5700XT in my desktop. I have absolutely zero desire to upgrade.

Same here. I got mine five years ago when I needed to upgrade my workstation to do work-from-home, and it's been entirely adequate since then. I switched the CPU from an AMD 3900 to a 5900, but that's the only upgrade. The differences from one generation to the next are pretty marginal.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by ionwake »

NewsaHackO wrote: post #111
timschmidt wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to me like both cases raised by OP - the Disney droids and Optimus - are cases of people making assumptions and then getting upset that their assumptions were wrong and making accusations. Neither company was very forthcoming about the robots being piloted, but neither seems to be denying it either. And both seem to use RL / ML techniques to maintain balance, locomotion, etc. Not unlike Boston Dynamics' bots…

Yea, this seems like the initial poster has reading comprehension skill deficiencies and is blaming NVIDIA for lying about a point they never made. NVIDIA is even releasing some of the code they used to power the robot, which further proves that they in no way said the robot was not being operator controlled, just that it was using AI to make it’s movement look more fluid.

fair enough, upvoted.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by surgical_fire »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #49

> With over 90% of the PC market running on NVIDIA tech, they’re the clear winner of the GPU race. The losers are every single one of us. I have been rocking AMD GPU ever since the drivers were upstreamed into the linux kernel. No regrets. I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. But consumer gotta consoooooo…

> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games

My main hobby is videogames, but since I can consistently play most games on Linux (that has good AMD support), it doesn't really matter.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by surgical_fire »

frollogaston wrote: post #61
__turbobrew__ wrote: post #49

> With over 90% of the PC market running on NVIDIA tech, they’re the clear winner of the GPU race. The losers are every single one of us. I have been rocking AMD GPU ever since the drivers were upstreamed into the linux kernel. No regrets. I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. But consumer gotta consoooooo…

Also playing PC video games doesn't even require a Nvidia GPU. It does sorta require Windows. I don't want to use that, so guess I lost the ability to waste tons of time playing boring games, oh no.

> It does sorta require Windows.

The vast majority of my gaming library runs fine on Linux. Older games might run better than on Windows, in fact.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by mathiaspoint »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #49

> With over 90% of the PC market running on NVIDIA tech, they’re the clear winner of the GPU race. The losers are every single one of us. I have been rocking AMD GPU ever since the drivers were upstreamed into the linux kernel. No regrets. I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. But consumer gotta consoooooo…

AMD isn't even bad at video games, it's just pytorch that doesn't work so well.
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