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Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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I think the N100 and N150 suffer the same weakness for this type of use case in the context of SSD storage 10gb networking. We need a next generation chip that can leverage more PCI lanes with roughly the same power efficiency.

I would remove points for a built-in non-modular standardized power supply. It's not fixable, and it's not comparable to Apple in quality.

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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These are cute, I'd really like to see the "serious" version. Something like a Ryzen 7745, 128gb ecc ddr5-5200, no less than two 10gbe ports (though unrealistic given the size, if they were sfp+ that'd be incredible), drives split across two different nvme raid controllers. I don't care how expensive or loud it is or how much power it uses, I just want a coffee-cup sized cube that can handle the kind of shit you'd ty…

the minisforum devices are probably the closest thing to that

unfortunately most people still consider ECC unnecessary, so options are slim

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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I've been running one of these quad nvme mini-NAS for a while. They're a good compromise if you can live with no ECC. With some DIY shenanigans they can even run fanless If you're running on consumer nvmes then mirrored is probably a better idea than raidz though. Write amplification can easily shred consumer drives.

I’m a TrueNAS/FreeNAS user, currently running an ECC system. The traditional wisdom is that ECC is a must-have for ZFS. What do you think? Is this outdated?

https://danluu.com/why-ecc/ has an argument for it with an update from 2024.

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you not simply buy a regular NAS? Why buy a tiny, m.2 only mini-NAS if your need is better met by a vanilla 2-bay NAS?

Good question. I imagine for the silence and low power usage without needing huge amounts of storage. That said, I own an n100 dual 3.5 bay + m.2 mini PC that can function as a NAS or as anything and I think it's pretty neat for the price.

Noise is definitely an issue.

I have an 8 drive NAS running 7200 RPM drives, which is on a wall mounted shelf drilled into the studs.

On the other side of that wall is my home office.

I had to put the NAS on speaker springs [1] to not go crazy from the hum :)

[1] https://www.amazon.com.au/Nobsound-Aluminum-Isolation-Amplif...

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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I’ve been always puzzled by the strange choice of raiding multiple small capacity M.2 NVMe in these tiny low-end Intel boxes with severely limited PCIe lanes using only one lane per SSD.

Why not a single large capacity M.2 SSD using 4 full lanes and proper backup with a cheaper , larger capacity and more reliable spinning disk?

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

these little boxes are perfect for my home My use case is a backup server for my macs and cold storage for movies. 6x2Tb drives will give me a 9Tb raid-5 for $809 ($100 each for the drives, $209 for the nas). Very quiet so I can have it in my living room plugged into my TV. I have no room for a big noisy server.

While I get your point about size, I'd not use RAID-5 for my personal homelab. I'd also say that 6x2TB drives are not the optimal solution for low power consumption. You're also missing out server quality BIOS, Design/Stability/x64 and remote management. However, not bad. While my Server is quite big compared to a "mini" device, it's silent. No CPU Fan only 120mm case fans spinning around 500rpm, maybe 900rpm on load…

I'm interested in learning more about your setup. What sort of system did you put together for $350? Is it a normal ATX case? I really like the idea of running proxmox but I don't know how to get something cheap!

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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I’ve been always puzzled by the strange choice of raiding multiple small capacity M.2 NVMe in these tiny low-end Intel boxes with severely limited PCIe lanes using only one lane per SSD. Why not a single large capacity M.2 SSD using 4 full lanes and proper backup with a cheaper , larger capacity and more reliable spinning disk?

The latest small M.2 NAS’s make very good consumer grade, small, quiet, power efficient storage you can put in your living room, next to the tv for media storage and light network attached storage.

It’d be great if you could fully utilise the M.2 speed but they are not about that.

Why not a single large M.2? Price.

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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I’ve been always puzzled by the strange choice of raiding multiple small capacity M.2 NVMe in these tiny low-end Intel boxes with severely limited PCIe lanes using only one lane per SSD. Why not a single large capacity M.2 SSD using 4 full lanes and proper backup with a cheaper , larger capacity and more reliable spinning disk?

The latest small M.2 NAS’s make very good consumer grade, small, quiet, power efficient storage you can put in your living room, next to the tv for media storage and light network attached storage. It’d be great if you could fully utilise the M.2 speed but they are not about that. Why not a single large M.2? Price.

Would four 2TB SSD be more or less expensive than one 8TB SSD? And also counting power efficiency and RAID complexity?

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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post #109

While it may be tempting to go "mini" and NVMe, for a normal use case I think this is hardly cost effective. You give up so much by using an all in mini device... No Upgrades, no ECC, harder cooling, less I/O. I have had a Proxmox Server with a used Fujitsu D3417 and 64gb ecc for roughly 5 years now, paid 350 bucks for the whole thing and upgraded the storage once from 1tb to 2tb. It draws 12-14W in normal day use an…

Another thing is that unless you have a very specific need for SSDs (such as heavily random access focused workloads, very tight space constraints, or working in a bumpy environment), mechanical hard drives are still way more cost effective for storing lots of data than NVMe. You can get a manufacturer refurbished 12TB hard drive with a multi-year warranty for ~$120, while even an 8TB NVMe drive goes for at least $50…

Don’t forget about power. If you’re trying to build a low power NAS, those hdds idle around 5w each, while the ssd is closer to 5mw. Once you’ve got a few disks, the HDDs can account for half the power or more. The cost penalty for 2TB or 4TB ssds is still big, but not as bad as at the 8TB level.
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