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DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Post by kstrauser »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #11

Honestly, AI progress suffers because of these export restrictions. An open source model that can compete with Gemini Pro 2.5 and o3 is good for the world, and good for AI

DeepSeek refuses to acknowledge Tiananmen Square. I don’t want to use a model that’s known to heavily censor historical data. What else is it denying or lying about that’s going to affect how I use it?

(In before “whatabout”: maybe US-made models do the same, but I’ve yet to hear reports of any anti-US information that they’re censoring.)

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Post by jaggs »

pfraze wrote: post #110
properpopper wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice media-led narrative. The real reason is that the US cannot compete fairly

What are you talking about

>> It's about China being expansionist

Citations? Apart from usual Western government propaganda outlets perhaps?

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Post by SR2Z »

properpopper wrote: post #107
crazygringo wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about people wanting to keep it in moats. It's about China being expansionist, actively preparing to invade Taiwan, and generally becoming an increasing military threat that does not respect the national integrity of other states. The US is fine with other countries having AI if the countries "play nice" with others. Nobody is limiting GPU's in France or Thailand. This is very specific to China's behavior an…

Nice media-led narrative. The real reason is that the US cannot compete fairly

What exactly does fairly look like to you? Uyghurs in camps, suicide nets strung around factories?

Like, even if you just want to talk about protectionism, China is way worse than the US pre-Trump. "Fairly" has nothing to do with foreign policy.

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Post by jaggs »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #108
rescbr wrote: post #68

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> against violent dictatorships Then look up Latin America’s history, where the US actively worked to install and support such violent dictatorships. Some under the guise of protecting countries from the threat of communism - like Brazil, Argentina and Chile, and some explicitly to protect US company’s interests - like in Guatemala

Well, at least protecting Latin American countries from the threat of communism was a nice thing for us to do, wasn't it? Communism would certainly have done more harm than we did. The lesson of present-day America is that democracy is too important to be left to the people.

Mmmm...

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Post by maxglute »

chvid wrote: post #23
Thorrez wrote: post #8

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The article says this: >June 26 (Reuters) - Chinese AI startup DeepSeek has not yet determined the timing of the release of its R2 model as CEO Liang Wenfeng is not satisfied with its performance, >Over the past several months, DeepSeek's engineers have been working to refine R2 until Liang gives the green light for release, according to The Information. But yes, it is strange how the majority of the article is about…

I am pretty sure that the information has no access to / sources at Deepseek. At most they are basing their article on selective random internet chatter amongst those who follow Chinese ai.

>Reporting by Deborah Sophia in Bengaluru; Editing by Arun Koyyur

Kek. Reminder after Sino India drama, India has basically 0 accredited journalist in China. The chances of Indian journalist "citing two people with knowledge of the situation" in Deepseek in Bengalurur before it's spreads over PRC rumor mill is vanishingly small.

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Post by TulliusCicero »

hopelite wrote: post #58
Papazsazsa wrote: post #39

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I don't know why this isn't the crux of our current geopolitical spat. Surely it would be cheaper and easier for the CCP to develop their own chipmaking capacity than going to war in the Taiwan strait?

China will not go to war in or over Taiwan sort of the USA doing its common narcissistic psychopathic thing of instigating, orchestrating, and agitating for aggression. It seems though that some parts of the world have started understanding how to defuse and counter the narcissistic, psychopathic abusive cabal that controls the USA and is constantly agitating for war, destruction, and world domination due to some sch…

Yeah, and Putin will definitely never invade Ukraine! Any suggestion to the contrary is just blatant American warmongering.

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Post by apples_oranges »

jaggs wrote: post #112
pfraze wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you talking about

>> It's about China being expansionist Citations? Apart from usual Western government propaganda outlets perhaps?

They are aiming for world domination by buying themselves into businesses all over the planet and by building up a very large army. But that’s just normal human behavior I guess.

The problem is rather that if the only moral compass is the communist party it will suck

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Post by lossolo »

Davidzheng wrote: post #43
Papazsazsa wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why this isn't the crux of our current geopolitical spat. Surely it would be cheaper and easier for the CCP to develop their own chipmaking capacity than going to war in the Taiwan strait?

US will intervene militarily to stop China from taking control of TSMC if Taiwan isn't pressured by US to destroy the plants themselves, so I don't think taking Taiwan is a viable path to leading in silica only lowering US ability but given the current gap in GPUs it's not clear how helpful this is to China. So all in all I don't think China views taking Taiwan as beneficial in the AI race at all.

> US will intervene militarily to stop China from taking control of TSMC if Taiwan isn't pressured by US to destroy the plants themselves

That's not certain. Most war games show that the U.S. would lose the war (also read official reports done for congress). You can't win against the world's leading producer of goods by trying to attack them from the sea when they can reach you with rockets from their own territory.

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Post by phatfish »

Aeolun wrote: post #51
sundache wrote: post #46

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A problem they face in building their own capacity is that ASML isn't allowed to export their newest machines to China. The US has even pressured them to stop servicing some machines already in China. They've been working on getting their own ASML competitor for decades, but so far unsuccessfully.

This is just a question of time. They can afford to wait, since the US is currently in the process of destroying itself. If I were China I’d be more worried about the other up and coming world power in India.

Indeed, once western governments finally get the message about Indian migrants they are going to have to go somewhere else.

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Post by IncreasePosts »

properpopper wrote: post #107
crazygringo wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about people wanting to keep it in moats. It's about China being expansionist, actively preparing to invade Taiwan, and generally becoming an increasing military threat that does not respect the national integrity of other states. The US is fine with other countries having AI if the countries "play nice" with others. Nobody is limiting GPU's in France or Thailand. This is very specific to China's behavior an…

Nice media-led narrative. The real reason is that the US cannot compete fairly

Is rampant IP theft and corporate espionage considered fair in your book?
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