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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else just done with the industry?

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Post by aristofun »

spacemadness wrote: post #107
aristofun wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wtf are you talking about “priveleged”? Many people worked day and night to become a well paid engineer. And some rich founders of companies still do, coming from nothing.

I’ve seen way more people struggling with mental health issues largely from overwork and stress than overly privileged. I think I’ve once or twice worked with an engineer that was kinda lazy but that’s out of hundreds of people I’ve worked with closely over the years. The only people who gain from calling engineers lazy and privileged are executives. All it does is widen the stick used to flog you.

> The only people who gain from calling engineers lazy and privileged are executives

also commies and alternatively-minded people

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else just done with the industry?

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Post by insane_dreamer »

DracheZahn wrote: post #93

After 35 years in tech and 10 years with the same company, today is my last day at a Fortune 100 tech firm. I left voluntarily with no new job lined up. Never felt so relieved. I realized that the depression I was experiencing was caused entirely by leadership, not my job. No matter which products I worked on, the same feelings of depression and ultimately loathing of the environment and process kept returning. Don't…

> Leaders overpromise and commit to deadlines without even asking if the solutions are feasible.

Because salespeople promised the client.

Terrible.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else just done with the industry?

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Post by owebmaster »

zazazx wrote: post #99
ativzzz wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I make stupid decisions reacting to those feelings. Yea it seems like the right thing to do is to step away and take a sabbatical to cool down, and then remember that we like money, and that it's just part of the game to get paid.

Keep playing a wicked game whose rules are stacked against you for the shiny trophy. I’ll see you in therapy in a few years.

The person who told you you'd forever have a job working in tech lied.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else just done with the industry?

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Post by _virtu »

tptacek wrote: post #102
zazazx wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep playing a wicked game whose rules are stacked against you for the shiny trophy. I’ll see you in therapy in a few years.

I guess another bit of advice is to do whatever you need to do to avoid ending up talking like this.

I mean the grandparent poster isn’t wrong. This whole system is stacked against us.

It’s difficult to keep moving knowing that we don’t have the ability to opt out of the way our whole society works. This is a very broad discussion that I know has many different facets to it, but the grandparent poster seems to be calling out what a lot of people believe is true.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else just done with the industry?

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Post by octo888 »

DracheZahn wrote: post #93

After 35 years in tech and 10 years with the same company, today is my last day at a Fortune 100 tech firm. I left voluntarily with no new job lined up. Never felt so relieved. I realized that the depression I was experiencing was caused entirely by leadership, not my job. No matter which products I worked on, the same feelings of depression and ultimately loathing of the environment and process kept returning. Don't…

Solidarity my friend. I'm doing the same.

Offshoring massively increasing, Scrum, story points, poor leadership with no vision, pointless projects, working across timezones, different language levels, having to understand 2-5 cultures, no in-person interaction with my colleagues, haughty Product Managers...totally burnt out.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else just done with the industry?

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Post by octo888 »

sbt wrote: post #39

Note that many companies are pretending to hire in order to look successful/growing. They might be willing to hire if some unicorn candidate comes along, but in practice the job ad is just marketing.

I think it's basically become de rigueur, standard HR advice at this point. The the amount of fake job listings is off the charts, to the point you should assume it's fake until proven otherwise (on this side of the pond anyway)

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else just done with the industry?

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Post by spacemadness »

sumitb wrote: post #74

Unlike professions like medicine, software industry had been permissive. And there were history major becoming CTOs of leading finance companies, which leaked every consumer recoreds. Once the industry will gets rid of the pretenders, the deserving people will find their place.

I hate this elitist HN argument and I have a degree and a long interest in software dev since I was a child. It’s vacuous gatekeeping at best and doesn’t explain the state of the industry. Yeah I know, bootcamps, blah blah. I’ve worked with great engineers who are also getting treated horribly.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else just done with the industry?

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Post by owebmaster »

MongooseStudios wrote: post #101
rusticrover wrote: post #90

The core issue here isn't just market conditions or bad hiring practices. It's that tech _workers_ have spent decades thinking they were somehow different from other _workers_, that they were 'partners' with capital rather than the labor behind it. You're experiencing what people in every other industry have dealt with for generations: being treated as a disposable cost center when it's convenient for ownership. The…

I've been in a union before. The benefits were bad, the pay was bad, after negotiations they were still bad. The union said "we tried." So I have trouble seeing them as the panacea that is marketed.

I think we need more cooperatives not unions

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else just done with the industry?

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Post by spacemadness »

aristofun wrote: post #111
spacemadness wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve seen way more people struggling with mental health issues largely from overwork and stress than overly privileged. I think I’ve once or twice worked with an engineer that was kinda lazy but that’s out of hundreds of people I’ve worked with closely over the years. The only people who gain from calling engineers lazy and privileged are executives. All it does is widen the stick used to flog you.

> The only people who gain from calling engineers lazy and privileged are executives also commies and alternatively-minded people

Who says commies these days in all seriousness? Alternatively minded people sounds like something out of a Facebook boomer fever dream.
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