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Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

zinodaur wrote: post #88
IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The majority of the people's opinion. Which elected a democratically-elected representative. That is how democracies work. If there's anything the executive has power over besides commander in chief, it would be leader in chief of defining what is actually, American. The fact that prior presidents have actually abdicated this important role, doesn't mean it didn't exist. This is why traditions of the State of the Uni…

And next time the Democrats get elected they will filter out all the right wing professors/students, and this will make you happy?

> next time the Democrats get elected they will filter out all the right wing professors/students, and this will make you happy

Yes, actually. We have the precedent. Both for the action and for these people being dangerous to our safety and civil society.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #96
zinodaur wrote: post #88

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And next time the Democrats get elected they will filter out all the right wing professors/students, and this will make you happy?

discriminating in employment due to one's affiliation is illegal in state and federal employment [1]. That does not mean one can break ToS and for example, publish on a massive public platform, your private opinion (which can be misconstrued as your employer's). Most employers have ToS against online activity during employment, for that reason. It is also illegal to do the same for students. [2] Faculty is already pr…

> for the nontenured, who really needs protecting ? Only 5.7% of all faculty are registered as conservative

Plenty of right wingers are granted visas to spread nonsense in America. It would make sense to put them on visa bans.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by [deleted] »

apwell23 wrote: post #72
ivape wrote: post #61

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It appears most of the western hemisphere (Canada, USA, Mexico, most of South America).

> western hemisphere oh yea to outnumber the native population they were taking over during colonial times. ironically it came back to bite them now that they are on the receiving end of replacement.

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Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by ryeats »

zug_zug wrote: post #103
15155 wrote: post #53

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> I'd certainly expect visitors to be held to the same standards as the natives. Visitors are held to a higher standard than natives. Visitors do not have control, a vote, etc: they are temporarily permitted by the privilege of policy at the time. > as a US citizen I don't want to be respectful and quiet, especially when I disagree with my government. Good, don't be! You're not at risk of having a visa revoked or go…

Telling the US government it's broken is a favor to the US government. Freedom of speech is a gift to both the people of this country and the institution itself, helping it be pure and accountable. It's the force that prevents us from becoming like China. Those who seek to stop that regulating force are undermining what makes America great. Where those voices of dissent were born isn't pertinent.

This is naive, it's clear that someone without a stake in a country could just be an agent provocateur.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by mindslight »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #80
mandmandam wrote: post #57

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> They're explicit this is about curbing political activism by foreign students. Freedom of assembly is a universal human right; not that anyone seriously expects respect for those from the US any more.

Except the US views it as its right to assemble who it wants to allow in. Same right, different perspective.

No, "the US" does not. Maybe the fascists currently in power are twisting words like that though, just as they twist every other lofty ideal into a rationalization for hurting people.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by mindslight »

15155 wrote: post #44
jlebar wrote: post #38

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Who gets to define what is anti-American? Perhaps you think it's anti-American to believe that Israel is committing war crimes in Gaza. Perhaps I think it's anti-American to believe that the Jan 6 rioters should have been pardoned. Whose purity test should we apply?

We're talking about foreigners: if you are a guest in someone's country, home, wherever, you should be respectful and quiet. I don't want any foreigners contributing to any political activism whatsoever, regardless of ideology.

You do you, and we'll have the parties at my house then. Enjoy quietly playing Catan or whatever.

Your extrapolation to the national level is fallacious. Many of our academic institutions were deliberately hosting foreigners, with the explicit goal of being melting pots of ideas. That gave the US an exceptional cultural cachet around the globe. This whole thing is an exercise in attacking and destroying our traditional distributed institutions in favor of centralized autocratic control.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by mindslight »

ryeats wrote: post #115
zug_zug wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telling the US government it's broken is a favor to the US government. Freedom of speech is a gift to both the people of this country and the institution itself, helping it be pure and accountable. It's the force that prevents us from becoming like China. Those who seek to stop that regulating force are undermining what makes America great. Where those voices of dissent were born isn't pertinent.

This is naive, it's clear that someone without a stake in a country could just be an agent provocateur.

This is akin to the fallacy of saying that the accountability of "real name" policies on web forums make higher quality comments, and then you actually look at the contents of Faceboot. I mean, actual US citizens just voted this tiny-minded failure of a "president" in for the second time, because apparently he hadn't damaged the country enough the first time. Having a stake didn't help there, right? Either people are unaware they are harming themselves (stupidity/anti-intellectualism), don't care because others are getting harmed "more" (spite), or are in social media bubbles pushed by hostile actors (agent provocateurs don't actually need physical presence).

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by happymellon »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #91
happymellon wrote: post #86

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How so? It doesnt even seem remotely the same. That would be the right to prevent assembly.

A team assembling on the playground that doesn’t pick all the friends who want to play together has prevented the friends from assembling. Assembly amongst all groups simultaneously isn’t possible with humans who are not bifurcating bosons.

That doesn't make sense.

Just because you used a word in a sentence doesn't make it so.

> A team assembling on the playground that doesn’t pick all the friends who want to play together has prevented the friends from assembling.

They haven't prevented anything. Just because a team assembled, does not exclude others from being there.

They can exclude, of course, but that has nothing to do with the assembly.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/assembl...

> uncountable noun

> When you refer to rights of assembly or restrictions on assembly, you are referring to the legal right that people have to gather together

It's the gathering thats the assembly, not the exclusion. You just made that up.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by ulfw »

pkkkzip wrote: post #109
neom wrote: post #59

It's not just students btw... we're dealing it this too. My wife is a Korean university professor teaching at an American university, and her visa needs to be renewed by next month. I'm Canadian and she has residency in Canada but the Korean embassy in Canada advised her to travel back to Korea to renew it. She got back to Korea end of May to find that the US embassy in Korea had paused appointments. Monday last week…

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