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The Zed Debugger Is Here
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Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here
#112It's surprisingly slow. Switching files in the tab list has a noticeable delay. Typing is higher latency than both Emacs (lsp-mode activated) and my web browser. Also uses approximately 60MiB more than my Emacs. It starts fast though! I wouldn't complain about this stuff if it wasn't for their tagline being 'it's fast' and they're losing to Emacs Lisp (not a language amenable to being very fast) with a highly optimiz…
How did you manage to make zed slower than emacs? From my experience, latency in zed sometimes even feels negative. Everything is instant: editing, lsp commands, file switching
In contrast, all my attempts at emacs ended up in dropping it due to latency issues (mostly because I work on remote machines)
Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
I suspect you’ll be an extreme minority. I won’t go near a code editor anymore without AI integrated deeply.
I suspect I'm not the only one experiencing "AI fatigue" as every single piece of software grows more and more useless "AI" features I don't want and which get in the way of doing what I actually want.
Nah, its the quiet majority, and AI posts on places like HN quickly create their own echo chambers with folks patting themselves and each other on their backs.
There is AI as a useful tool, maybe, which is at most few % of current hype. Most folks seem to end up babysitting it a lot to get something useful out of it. And then there is everything else which is mostly hype or narrow use cases. To proper typical senior managing a team I don't see much added value. It can help juniors churn out large chunks of the code but I haven't worked in 20 years in a place that values quantity of code and quick deliveries over quality.
Also very much depends on the business and specific company. In my banking mega corp, no AI is even allowed to be used even as I write it now, all popular sites are blocked and there are strict policies against. Couldn't care less, coding is such a small part of my work I don't want to lose this creative outlet by delegating it to something I need to triple check for bugs afterwards. Also with any new stuff I learn way more by implementing it myself rather than looking at pre-made code.
Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
I went to check out neovim and noticed it's currently sponsored by two AI products! Of course, that's one level removed from actually integrating AI in your product but, still—it's getting harder and harder to avoid altogether.
Oh wow, I hadn't noticed that. I guess it's always possible to return to Vim if Neovim starts showing signs of being steered by its sponsors.
My guess is that neovim wouldn't do a core integration of ai that ships with the editor. At most, maybe if there are ui interface gaps that would help make a better experience, they might expose more apis there that could be useful outside ai as well.
Plugins are relatively easy to write in nvim so I'd expect all ai stuff to come from there and be opt in.
Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
I suspect I'm not the only one experiencing "AI fatigue" as every single piece of software grows more and more useless "AI" features I don't want and which get in the way of doing what I actually want.
Nah, its the quiet majority, and AI posts on places like HN quickly create their own echo chambers with folks patting themselves and each other on their backs. There is AI as a useful tool, maybe, which is at most few % of current hype. Most folks seem to end up babysitting it a lot to get something useful out of it. And then there is everything else which is mostly hype or narrow use cases. To proper typical senior…
> Also very much depends on the business and specific company. In my banking mega corp, no AI is even allowed to be used
This is a huge thing tbh. I don't like these AI things in general so I wouldn't use them anyway, but I just can't imagine going to my clients and asking them, "Hey is it okay with you if I routinely upload all your code to these random American venture-backed start-ups?". And I really can't imagine just doing that behind their back. I couldn't really imagine doing that with an employer's code either.
Ideally I don't even use software where accidentally toggling the wrong checkbox in some settings screen results in automatically uploading client code to these American start-ups either. Now I won't pretend that my stance against AI is purely out of some principled cybersecurity concern, but it's definitely a factor.
Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here
#116I really want to switch to Zed from Cursor but the battery usage for my Python project with Pyright is unjustifiable. There are issues for this on GitHub and I'm just sad that the team isn't prioritising this more.
It’s funny you mention this because I have an issue with Cursor where if I leave it open for more than a few hours my M3 Max starts to melt, the fans spin up, and it turns out to be using most of my CPU when it should be idling.
Zed on the other hand works perfectly fine for me. Goes to show how a slightly different stack can completely change one’s experiences with a tool.
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
I didn't tried Zed in a while, are really intrusive the AI features? Can't it be just disabled with some configuration?
they are not intrusive but their entire focus changed on that instead of other features. Entire Git view feels abandoned in half done state yet they spent entire month working on AI chats, AI agents, their own AI edit (that's priced 20 per month yet they boast how light and performant it is -- why isn't it free local model then and why its priced worse than copilot?) They're moving from "making awesome code editor" i…
The fact that they have released both features within 3 months of each other is mind boggling. Their development velocity is insane. These are not trivial features.
Give them some time to polish, jeez.
Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here
#118It's surprisingly slow. Switching files in the tab list has a noticeable delay. Typing is higher latency than both Emacs (lsp-mode activated) and my web browser. Also uses approximately 60MiB more than my Emacs. It starts fast though! I wouldn't complain about this stuff if it wasn't for their tagline being 'it's fast' and they're losing to Emacs Lisp (not a language amenable to being very fast) with a highly optimiz…
It's probably something in the rendering pipeline. What operating system?
Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
they are not intrusive but their entire focus changed on that instead of other features. Entire Git view feels abandoned in half done state yet they spent entire month working on AI chats, AI agents, their own AI edit (that's priced 20 per month yet they boast how light and performant it is -- why isn't it free local model then and why its priced worse than copilot?) They're moving from "making awesome code editor" i…
I'm much prefer the VS Code style when you have 2 clear sections: staged and not staged. Zed's chose the IntelliJ style which is just a bunch of checkboxes, I can see it being easier to understand for the novice, but not very intuitive from a git point of view.
Never used Git in Jetbrain IDEs or Zed (yet), but recently VS Code improved a lot the Git by making easier to stage changes in a file in a granular manner (I tried briefly edamagit extension a while ago and now use a lot gitu in the terminal, in combination with VS Code version control).
Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here
#120I was interested in Zed, but lost all interest when they started integrating "AI". I'm tired of "AI" everywhere. I'll just stick with Neovim until something better comes around. Which probably won't happen until after the "AI" bubble bursts.
You can disable AI.
Furthermore, Zed Agents are currently my favorite way of using LLM's during programming