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Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by baybal2 »

lazide wrote: post #99
scienceman wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agents who are masked and don't have any obligations to present warrants before abducting someone... really are we saying this is reasonable?

Police in general don’t need to show warrants to arrest people. In high profile situations it may be done to minimize political blowback, but clearly that is not a primary concern in this situation (except toward individual officers, which is why they are masking). In many situations, they just need a documentable/articulable (to a judge, later) reasonable belief that a crime was occurring in their presence, or in ot…

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Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by HideousKojima »

sculper wrote: post #41
garciasn wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When someone attempted to assassinate Trump would you have lumped all of those against Trump into "they"? I don't support what the current administration is doing; not by a long shot. But to say, "they did just shoot two elected representatives," is disingenuous at best.

The current administration explicitly condones violence against political rivals. "They" seems fair.

>The current administration explicitly condones violence against political rivals.

Citation needed

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by Avshalom »

potholereseller wrote: post #53

The actual title of the acticle is "Brad Lander Detained by Masked Federal Agents Inside Immigration Court". Contrary to the current title here on HN, Lander was not arrested for asking to see a warrant; TFA states the opposite, "It wasn’t immediately clear what charges, if any, the mayoral candidate will face. A spokesperson for ICE didn’t immediately return a request for comment." If an event is so important to kno…

If we want to stick to the facts: we don't actually have any proof that these were federal agents because they refuse to identify themselves. All we actually know is that Lander was kidnapped.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by janalsncm »

unyttigfjelltol wrote: post #109
RHSeeger wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like it would be possible for state and local forces (police) to arrest and imprison ICE agents that are acting illegally. Specifically, arrest them for kidnapping when the nab people off the streets. Sure, they'll get out because they can lie and pretend they have cause; but they could be locked up for a while at least. And do it enough, and maybe they'll start thinking twice before acting stupid.

Your outrage is not that ICE is acting illegally but that they are enforcing US law. Having local law enforcement launch some kind of insurrection is the kind of myopic nonsense you would have condemned a few years ago, even months. Heck, for the last 50 years the Imperial Presidency also was a bipartisan consensus. It looks different when it's your ox getting gored, but the solution is actually temperance, restraint…

Protests are usually messy and there’s not one single reason people are upset.

Some people are upset with the deportations (US law).

Some people are upset about rescinding visas due to political speech (violation of norms).

Some people are upset because due process is being violated (law).

Some people are upset because the law enforcers are hiding their identities (norm/law).

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by hansjorg »

mlsu wrote: post #42
duxup wrote: post #4

The whole story of telling ICE agents to just go out and find people on their own seems like a setup to empower the executive branch to have their own group of thugs. Without guidance they do what want outside the judicial system and sensible oversight / rules. This seems to be a pattern in most non democratic countries...

Another thing that is troubling is that immigration law is sort of a parallel system to normal criminal law. The rights for the accused are lesser and obligations for officers are more lax. The burden of proof is lower. It's easier to get warrants and the rules of evidence are more relaxed. There is a parallel authoritarian system being built up, starting with the creation of DHS in 2001 and ending god knows where. T…

> Why are the right libertarians and 2A folks not speaking up right now

It has been entertaining listening to the people at Reason Magazine lately. They have convinced themselves thoroughly that they're not actually racist authoritarians, so now that they're getting what they really want, but it's so diametrically opposed to what they say they believe, they have to contort themselves endlessly.

Do not expect any kind of help from those kinds of people. Their anti-authoritarianism is largely performative or reserved to their in-group. When it's not performative, it's just rich kids complaining they're not allowed do to whatever they want.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by edoceo »

jimt1234 wrote: post #115

> "I know I will get due process and that my rights will be protected," Lander said. Huh? Has he been sleeping under a rock for the last six months?

Lots of trust in his legal and PR teams?

Any proletariat (90% of USA) would not be so fortunate.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by edoceo »

edm0nd wrote: post #106
nemomarx wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they did just shoot two elected representatives so I think we're a little beyond protests working

technically he shot 4 elected representatives. 2 died 2 are in hospital still iirc.

Nit: 2 officials, 2 spouses.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by Avshalom »

haunter wrote: post #75
28304283409234 wrote: post #60

I do not understand why this is flagged.

Because it's HN not /r/politics A lot of us doesn't come here to read about US internal politics

US internal politics are also US external politics and all of this shit has been cheerled by the biggest names in Silicon Valley.

Hey remember when Peter Theil said we should get rid of democracy and Paul Graham said "we aren't going to like, stop giving money to people because of their opinions"? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Remember when the A in A16Z ran the futurist manifesto through a thesaurus?

Remember when Musk spent a quarter billion dollars to ensure this exact outcome?

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