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Re: A Linux dev who helped thousands needs help to fight cancer

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These are old numbers... America is forecast to spend 17 or 18% of GDP on healthcare this year...

Its not about how much money you spend, but how you spend it. USA has made the enourmous mistake of making of health a large business managed by private corporations that dont care about human life. Just money. Other countries see health as a right (luckily thats the case here in Argentina). So, most medics dont get super rich. They work for a salary, they dont get 30 or 50 grand for a surgery. But they still do thei…

> I feel sorry for you USA, because you lost it and you wont get it back.

The position that the USA "lost" the policy of "health as a right" is nonsensical, because it never previously possessed it in its 236 years of existence. You might want to try a different narrative archetype.

Re: A Linux dev who helped thousands needs help to fight cancer

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* Germany: In 2005, Germany spent 10.7% of GDP on health care, or US$3,628 per capita. Germany has Europe's oldest universal health care insurance system, with origins dating back to Otto von Bismarck's Social legislation, which included the Health Insurance Bill of 1883, Accident Insurance Bill of 1884, and Old Age and Disability Insurance Bill of 1889. * US: According to the World Health Organization (WHO), the Uni…

That's TOTAL expenditure (public and private). It's misleading to include private insurance and self payments unless you're talking about the total cost of healthcare.[1] The German government covers 77% of its citizens health care costs. The US government covers 48%. In countries like Germany, I am sure that 77% number is evenly distributed across the population. I.e. All citizens are mostly covered by government in…

I suspect the 77% is skewed towards the poor - in most European states only the fairly well off would ever go to a private hospital in the first place.

Re: A Linux dev who helped thousands needs help to fight cancer

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This is actually a common problem with what is, in practice, an already socialized portion of American healthcare: Emergency Rooms Since emergency rooms cannot turn patients away, there are a lot of people to come to the emergency rooms for things like pains in their big toe, menstrual cramps, and so on. This is why the emergency room is so absurdly expensive in the United States. Health care here really isn't very e…

But ERs already have a system to limit 'abuse' by people with minor complaints: triage.

Actually, triage is to ensure that those who have the most life threatening conditions are treated first. So you might have a life threatening condition that will kill you in an hour, but a gun-shot victim might die immediately. He goes in front of you.

Re: A Linux dev who helped thousands needs help to fight cancer

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> Germany has Europe's oldest universal health care insurance system, with origins dating back to Otto von Bismarck... I wasn't aware that a government-sponsored healthcare system this old existed in the world, because it's always seemed to me that such programs are fundamentally unsustainable. So what I want to know is, how do they keep it sustainable? For example, if there's no longer a market where demand responds…

I'm not sure about Germany, but in Denmark it's just a service of the state. Doctors' salary, and hospitals' equipment needs, are assessed and negotiated the same way as with other sectors of the public-safety apparatus, such as the police department, fire department, and military. You'd like to keep your hospitals well-stocked, your fire engines maintained and modern, your air force state-of-the-art, etc., but witho…

> the worst that can happen is someone wastes their local physician's time 30 minutes at a time

I've also heard a theory that this isn't a bad thing: IIRC in Japan there's a culture of going to the GP for every tiny little thing, which means that they have a massive number of 5-minute visits - but potentially serious illnesses are spotted and cured before they become serious, which means that overall health costs are lower and results are better.

Re: A Linux dev who helped thousands needs help to fight cancer

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I could be wrong but I don't think he was a developer. From the pieces I've read it looks like his contribution to linux, seems to be distributing it through donations of old computers with linux installed to people / organizations in need.

It's funny how we assume (well, at least I did) how contributer has to be a developer.

The title of the story is "help a linux dev[eloper]"

Re: A Linux dev who helped thousands needs help to fight cancer

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Finding a pro-bono doctor was in the plans from the start, if I get it right. And the doctor should have never been in the $50,000 total. cit: "The cost just to book the OR for Ken's surgery is $50,000, and that doesn't include the surgery itself, nor any post-op medical expenses."

Wow $50,000?! This is an advice: I think with this kind of money they can fly somewhere else and do the operation and pay all costs associated with money to spare. I think they can even try that in Canada

Yes that's insane. I also suggested about health tourism on the blog page. I think you may have the operation and after care - first world grade - in Turkey for ~50K. May be even lower.

Re: A Linux dev who helped thousands needs help to fight cancer

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* Germany: In 2005, Germany spent 10.7% of GDP on health care, or US$3,628 per capita. Germany has Europe's oldest universal health care insurance system, with origins dating back to Otto von Bismarck's Social legislation, which included the Health Insurance Bill of 1883, Accident Insurance Bill of 1884, and Old Age and Disability Insurance Bill of 1889. * US: According to the World Health Organization (WHO), the Uni…

> Germany has Europe's oldest universal health care insurance system, with origins dating back to Otto von Bismarck... I wasn't aware that a government-sponsored healthcare system this old existed in the world, because it's always seemed to me that such programs are fundamentally unsustainable. So what I want to know is, how do they keep it sustainable? For example, if there's no longer a market where demand responds…

> > Germany has Europe's oldest universal health care insurance system, with origins dating back to Otto von Bismarck...

> I wasn't aware that a government-sponsored healthcare system this old existed in the world, because it's always seemed to me that such programs are fundamentally unsustainable.

They are not fundamentally unsustainable but Germany's current social system is unsustainable and will eventually fail because the demography and economics have undergone massive changes since it has been designed.

> So what I want to know is, how do they keep it sustainable For example, if there's no longer a market where demand responds to price signals, how do they determine how much procedures cost?

We do have a market in which insurance and health care providers negotiate prices and as you can see not only does this work it works a lot better than the US market does.

> What keeps providers from increasing prices 5% every year, regardless of cost increases, until they're essentially looting taxpayers' money on a massive scale?

Health care providers can't set arbitrary prices and insurance providers are regulated. Also insurance is mandatory but not paid for from taxes unless you don't have any income. The mandatory social insurances, of which there are four, all get paid a certain amount relative to your income.

> If the government sets prices, how do you avoid damaging shortages or surpluses when it gets the pricing wrong?

See above. The government doesn't set the prices.

> How about moral hazard -- the problem of people who waste healthcare resources by going to the doctor for every little sniffle, scrape and twinge since it's free?

You want to detect serious stuff early to keep the costs down, so to a certain degree you want that to happen. Apart from that there is a small 10€ fee you have to pay once every quarter for each doctor you visit unless you were referred to him by another doctor. This keeps moral hazard down and especially prevents unnecessary visits to specialized doctors.

> What keeps people in other countries who don't pay into the system from getting a burning desire to move to Germany when they find out they have something really expensive to treat like cancer or AIDS?

Like moral hazard this is not such a big issue as one might think it is. Most people tend to be reluctant to make such big moves, especially if they don't speak the local language which applies even more so if the topic they would like to talk about is their health. Apart from that there aren't that many countries in the world with a health care system as catastrophic as the one in the US.

More importantly though the people who do actually move to Germany for treatment tend to have lots of money and have no problem spending it on their health. So these patients are flown into the hospital using the dedicated helipad, on top of the luxury ward, in which they wait for overpriced procedures and get their overpriced medications.

Re: A Linux dev who helped thousands needs help to fight cancer

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America does seem to be a country where it's devil take the hindmost but people who live here in Europe find plenty to complain about in our systems too.

Donated £13.06 according to paypal.

In the UK, the National Health Service certainly has inefficiencies, delays and issues. However, care is free at the point of need.

I suppose there are different ways of rationing a resource for which there is theoretically an infinite need. I prefer the way we do it in the UK.

Re: A Linux dev who helped thousands needs help to fight cancer

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It'd cost quite a bit more than that. 5% of the income tax is only like $50 billion dollars, which is dwarfed by our current Medicare/Medicaid spending to cover a fraction of the population. Maybe something like doubling everyone's taxes could do it?

That is if we kept spending at current levels. Canada spends much less on healthcare than the united states. Canadian life expectancy is also higher, which leads me to believe that their gasp socialist healthcare system is actually more efficient.

Our government already spends more money on Medicare/Medicaid than most other governments spend on healthcare. I don't see how we could possibly lower our government spending by covering more people.
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