Live data from Hacker News

Seedance 1.0

seed.bytedance.com

111–120 of 127 posts

Re: Seedance 1.0

#111

The future is something like the TikTok algorithm, but generated on the fly. As you scroll, it learns what you like and generates more videos.

With enough context fed into the model of what you react to, the content will be so mesmerizing that you won't be able to look away This is chilling and also seems inevitable long term

It's more depressing if it DIDN'T happen soon. The technology should be here, years ago.

Re: Seedance 1.0

#112
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's been happening since Photoshop. Describing this as some apocalyptic event is absurd.

Photoshop requires skills. The comparison with Photoshop is absurd.

So does AI. You think you're creating an Oscar-winning movie by prompting VEO with no thought?

Re: Seedance 1.0

#113

The future is something like the TikTok algorithm, but generated on the fly. As you scroll, it learns what you like and generates more videos.

I think this is an unfortunate misunderstanding of why people like and use social media. ChatGPT can already generate endless "comments". And yet you're here.

> And yet you're here.

Some people are talking to ChatGPT though. We are here, for now.

Re: Seedance 1.0

#114

I look forward to a day when capabilities like this are trivial and boring to the average person. When my phone (locally) will be able to generate a fully voice acted 24 episode series anime on a whim for a meme with my group chat. It's astounding what we can do now, but will be completely ignorable before we know it, which is equally wild.

Me too!

Can't wait to create shadowrun movies for example :)

Re: Seedance 1.0

#115
post #38

I look forward to a day when capabilities like this are trivial and boring to the average person. When my phone (locally) will be able to generate a fully voice acted 24 episode series anime on a whim for a meme with my group chat. It's astounding what we can do now, but will be completely ignorable before we know it, which is equally wild.

More content will be made in a single month than all of human history up to this point. No more Disney-fication, no more Marvel / Star Wars "mass media slop". We'll have media that caters to people's long-tail interests. If you have a passion for Egyptology and Atlantis, you'll be able to watch a steampunk adventure about the Egyptians waging war with the Atlanteans. But perhaps with the serious tone of "The Wire". T…

> There will be an abundance of talent that is finally able to create their vision rather than nepotism their way into one of 500 limited annual roles of autonomy.

Is it possible that part of what creates quality is having to collaborate with others? Would Star Wars have been as good as it was without Marcia Lucas?

Re: Seedance 1.0

#116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Photoshop requires skills. The comparison with Photoshop is absurd.

So does AI. You think you're creating an Oscar-winning movie by prompting VEO with no thought?

who said anything about movies? the conversation is about misinformative content, which is typically very low-effort

Re: Seedance 1.0

#117
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it will also try to influence what you like to maximize engagement unfortunately...

There's a cliff though. It will happen for different people at different times, but at some point the realization that you are looking at people who don't exist living lives that aren't possible to sell you products that won't help you will click for you, and when it does it will cut you off from society in a way we don't currently have words for.

Are you sure about that? In the Matrix Cypher wants to return into the matrix knowing fully well that it is fake, and backstabs his friends to accomplish it. I suspect we may see it play out similarly irl. Fiction tends to be pretty good at commenting on human nature.

Re: Seedance 1.0

#118
post #84

I look forward to a day when capabilities like this are trivial and boring to the average person. When my phone (locally) will be able to generate a fully voice acted 24 episode series anime on a whim for a meme with my group chat. It's astounding what we can do now, but will be completely ignorable before we know it, which is equally wild.

Literally nobody will give a fuck about a 24 episode series that exists because you spent a few seconds writing a prompt. AI doesn’t increase the value of content, it makes it meaningless by destroying scarcity. Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.

> AI doesn’t increase the value of content, it makes it meaningless by destroying scarcity.

Most art is in some way or form derivative of another work or a combination of somesorts. I enjoy derivative works. To me, AI already has value. I don't seek endless gratification through originality.

Re: Seedance 1.0

#119
post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is an unfortunate misunderstanding of why people like and use social media. ChatGPT can already generate endless "comments". And yet you're here.

> And yet you're here. Some people are talking to ChatGPT though. We are here, for now.

Some people are stimulating themselves with opioids too. Outside the Hacker News bubble, which statistically has elevated incentives to push "the future is AI", the consensus I've seen is revulsion towards fully algorithmically generated content streams.

This is like seeing Frito-Lay's stock price rise, and concluding that restaurants are doomed in the future. There's about the same amount of equivalence.

Re: Seedance 1.0

#120
post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's entirely appropriate. Those were the first digital distribution routes. As much as the RIAA hated digital, they eventually caved.

RIAA hating digital and finally caving on distribution is totally different than all of the artists getting replaced by genAI. It's just not the same no matter how much you keep trying to push that square peg into a round hole.

We're talking about orthogonal things again.

IP vs distribution vs the means of production.

I'm happy to discuss all of these things, but let's stop flip flopping around.

When the means of production are easier, that changes the supply and demand curves. There's more supply and lower cost, but that opens the gates to larger and new work that hasn't been possible before.

We're entering an era where ONE PERSON can make a Pixar film. That's astounding and amazing. Every artist can become a Makoto Shinkai [1] and make their own Voices of a Distant Star [2] in their garage. All by themselves.

We're going to see an explosion of creators like Makoto Shinkai, Vivienne Medrano, Joel Haver, Zach Hadel, et al.

Garage Band and Indie Music and Steam Greenlight and Indie Games is exactly what is about to happen to art, animation, and film.

Distribution will be hard, but the market for indie creators is exploding. And the work they produce is so much better than Hollywood slop. They put their heart and soul into their work, and you can tell. It's direct and intimate.

I am one of these creators, and I am telling you: this is a good thing !

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makoto_Shinkai

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voices_of_a_Distant_Star

Post reply on HN