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Plato got virtually everything wrong (2018)

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Re: Plato got virtually everything wrong (2018)

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I'm sorry, but I am firmly ensconced in the managerial class of western society and the people around me are not nihilistic materialists. They are, perhaps, liberal in the classical sense, but that isn't nihilistic materialism. Almost all Americans believe in moral ideals, human rights, etc, etc, etc. Christianity may be in decline, but that is at least partially separate.

Well I agree that folk Christianity has morphed into a humanism. But what do those people do if you push on that. What intellectual framework do they use to make sense of the world? In my experience the humanism part is an unexamined social nicety that isn’t consistent with the rest of their beliefs.

Genuinely, I think if you push on PMC types you will first, indeed, get some vaguely utilitarian thinking, but then if you push further, you will arrive again at teleological justifications. As far as I can tell, this kind of thinking is basically endemic in the human race and I frankly despair at the possibility of human beings crawling out from beneath it.

Its not a deep observation that you can't be a utilitarian without an enfolding moral framework and most people have one and in western civilization that framework is basically the one inherited from the cultural aether. From my point of view that kind of sloppy thinking is basically the same as believing in God.

Re: Plato got virtually everything wrong (2018)

#112

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Indeed, the writer basically provided a demonstration of the intellectual bulldozing of which he accuses Socrates. Sure, tear everything down, but please show something improved in its place.

"If we had paid more attention to the more modest aspirations of Aristotle we would not have got so sidetracked by sceptical concerns that true knowledge is impossible."

I find that sentiment to be so much unimpressive nihilism, but YMMV.

Re: Plato got virtually everything wrong (2018)

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SBMC has a takedown of Plato that is 100x better than this article, while being 10x shorter, and funny. https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/cave-2

That's not a takedown, that's a bunch of lazy slanders

Are you saying SBMC hasn't done the research? That seems dubious.

Re: Plato got virtually everything wrong (2018)

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post #113

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That's not a takedown, that's a bunch of lazy slanders

Are you saying SBMC hasn't done the research? That seems dubious.

SBMC has to get some prize for being the least funny comic strip ever

Re: Plato got virtually everything wrong (2018)

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> Dimwit and midwit mean two different things. > Midwit is an internet slang term, often used pejoratively, to describe a person with average or slightly above-average intelligence who believes they are exceptionally intelligent or insightful. Does this not describe most of the people on this forum? Why would you invite such comparisons if you aren't confident you're better or "more correct" in some way? It seems the…

One commonly observed midwit behaviour is to make arguments based on the dictionary definition of a word, having failed to understand that there is a complex set of cultural and social connotations implied by its use. In the case of the midwit, the implication is that intelligent people understand, stupid people understand, but the half-smart get completely the wrong end of the stick.

Yea another dumbass behavior is using words nobody can understand because they sound trendy. This doesn't make plato magically interesting unless you're living 2500 years ago. At least I can understand plato because he, and especially his successor, made comparisons quite explicit. He would not have used "guy like you or me" as an implied insult....
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