I can’t even get copilot to autocomplete 5 working lines consistently. I spend hours every day arguing with ChatGPT about things it’s hallucinating. And Agents? It took me a year to convince anyone to buy me a copilot subscription. It’s not good enough now? But it was the bees knees just a year or two ago? See I hate the thing where the JS-framework tempo thing happens to the part of the software world I’m in.
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#112The argument seems to be that for an expert programmer, who is capable of reading and understanding AI agent code output and merging it into a codebase, AI agents are great. Question: If everyone uses AI to code, how does someone become an expert capable of carefully reading and understanding code and acting as an editor to an AI? The expert skills needed to be an editor -- reading code, understanding its implication…
If no one really becomes an expert anymore, that seems like great news for the people who are already experts. Perhaps people actively desire this.
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#113This happened with the introduction of smartphones too. Every slashdot post had a haughty and upvoted ‘why would i want such a thing!!!’. It was obviously huge. You could see it taking off. Yet a lot of people proudly displayed ignorance and backed each other up on it to the point that discussion around the topic was often drowned out by the opposition to change. Now today it takes minutes of playing with ai coding a…
To be frank, I do think smartphones have made my life worse. I'd happily forego them if it were not for 2FA and how too many businesses expect I can receive texts.
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#115This happened with the introduction of smartphones too. Every slashdot post had a haughty and upvoted ‘why would i want such a thing!!!’. It was obviously huge. You could see it taking off. Yet a lot of people proudly displayed ignorance and backed each other up on it to the point that discussion around the topic was often drowned out by the opposition to change. Now today it takes minutes of playing with ai coding a…
Some days i still don't understand why anyone would want a smart phone. I think being connected all the time has a significant negative impact on mental health (I say, as i type this from a smartphone)
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#116I do use LLMs for coding and the newer models have definitely been a blessing. I don't know about using coding agents (or agentic coding) though. I personally do not find this better than chatting with the llm, getting the code back and then copy / pasting it and grokking / editing it. The author of this seems to suggest that.. there is one correct flow, his flow (which he doesn't entirely detail) and everything else is not appropriate. He doesn't go into what his process is when the LLM hallucinates either. Not all hallucinations show up in static analysis.
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#117I develop space-borne systems, so I can't use the best LLM's for ITAR/etc reasons, but this article really makes me feel like I'm missing out. This line in particular makes me wonder if my skills are becoming obsolete for general private industry: > People coding with LLMs today use agents. Agents get to poke around your codebase on their own. They author files directly. They run tools. They compile code, run tests,…
Frankly, as someone who is engaged in fields where LLMs can be used heavily.
I would stay in any high danger/high precision/high regulation role.
The speed at which LLM stuff is progressing is insane, what is cutting edge today wasn't available 6 months ago.
Keep up as a side hobby if you wish, I would definitely recommend that, but I just have to imagine that in 2 years a turnkey github project will get you pretty much all the way there.
Idk, that's my feeling fwiw.
I love LLMs but I'm much less confident that people and regulation will keep up with this new world in a way that benefits the very people who created the content that LLMs are built on.
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#118This happened with the introduction of smartphones too. Every slashdot post had a haughty and upvoted ‘why would i want such a thing!!!’. It was obviously huge. You could see it taking off. Yet a lot of people proudly displayed ignorance and backed each other up on it to the point that discussion around the topic was often drowned out by the opposition to change. Now today it takes minutes of playing with ai coding a…
> today it takes minutes of playing with ai coding agents to realise that it’s extremely useful
Yet some of us spent hours over the past three years playing with LLMs, and remain completely unimpressed by what we see.
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#119Everything works right until it doesn't. LLMs are trained on things that have worked. Let's revisit in 2027 when things are insanely faster, but not much better.
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#120So we replace the task of writing tedious boilerplate with the task of reading the AI's tedious boilerplate. Which takes just as long. And leaves you with less understanding. And is more boring.
Indeed, instead of writing code to shave a Yak, we're now instead reviewing how the Yak was (most-shittily) shaved.