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Re: Rocky Linux 10 Will Support RISC-V

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Post by tanelpoder »

homebrewer wrote: post #57
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tomcat ... OK you can have one from 1863. There is a really good security back port effort but why on earth start off with a kernel that is using a walking stick. Because old software is battle-tested and reliable. Moreover, upgrading software is ever a pain so it's best to minimize how often you have to do it. With a support policy of 10 years, you just can't beat RHEL (and derivatives) for stability.

RHEL's kernel — the actual base of the operating system with the largest effect on stability — is not old. It might have a version number from the middle of the last century, but there are so many massive backports in there that in a few years time after release it gets closer to the latest mainline than to its original version. Don't expect too much from it.

Yup, one example that I noticed recently, RedHat backported the eBPF subsystem from Linux 6.8 to their 5.14 kernel (in RHEL 9.5):

https://docs.redhat.com/en/documentation/red_hat_enterprise_...

Re: Rocky Linux 10 Will Support RISC-V

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Post by tryauuum »

znpy wrote: post #63
microtonal wrote: post #58

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Having had to use those kinds of machines often as a user, it is a total pain. For some reason, these enterprise distributions end up being used a lot on scientific and machine learning clusters. You have to deal with 5-10 year old bugs that are solved in every other distribution already and you have to jump through hoops to make modern software run. For me it always felt like the system administrators externalizing…

You can run whatever you want in containers. You don't even need root permissions. Red Hat's podman can launch containers without the need for root privileges. > Despite my dislike of enterprise Linux, Red Hat is doing a lot of awesome work all around the stack. IMO Fedora and the immutable distros are the real showcase of all the things they do. Fedora today is what RHEL will be tomorrow. They quite literally freeze…

it's still painful when you can't even use the os-provided version of git and have to install newer one with conda

Re: Rocky Linux 10 Will Support RISC-V

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Post by dgfitz »

dismalaf wrote: post #38
dgfitz wrote: post #36

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Really? How much more can it cost to host their LTS and non LTS repos open at the same time? C’mon, that’s such a weak argument I think you know it.

If there's no cost in time, effort or equipment then mirror it yourself. It's easy, right? Or just use an LTS distro like literally every single other organization that depends on Ubuntu for their business SMH. Like, it's absurd to even think about...

You ignored the premise. I can’t update. Shake you head, I didn’t make the call, canonical did.

Re: Rocky Linux 10 Will Support RISC-V

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Post by lttlrck »

rubitxxx10 wrote: post #18
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tomcat ... OK you can have one from 1863. There is a really good security back port effort but why on earth start off with a kernel that is using a walking stick. Because old software is battle-tested and reliable. Moreover, upgrading software is ever a pain so it's best to minimize how often you have to do it. With a support policy of 10 years, you just can't beat RHEL (and derivatives) for stability.

I’m old. I used one of the original boxed RH distros. It was cool then. That was almost 30 years ago. I know they give back to Linux, and I’m thankful for the enterprises that pay for it because of that. It’s not a bad company, though it’s strange that you could be a great developer and lose your position there if your project gets cut, unless another team picks you up, from what I hear. But when Linus created Linux,…

Redhat made Linux palatable for enterprise though. Without enterprise adoption where would Linux be?

Re: Rocky Linux 10 Will Support RISC-V

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Post by dismalaf »

dgfitz wrote: post #113
dismalaf wrote: post #38

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If there's no cost in time, effort or equipment then mirror it yourself. It's easy, right? Or just use an LTS distro like literally every single other organization that depends on Ubuntu for their business SMH. Like, it's absurd to even think about...

You ignored the premise. I can’t update. Shake you head, I didn’t make the call, canonical did.

Anyhow someone else showed they do indeed host old repos, just in a different place. Also, why can't you update? Who the hell made that contract? And is it the client the said you can't update or Canonical? Because the latter seems sus...

Re: Rocky Linux 10 Will Support RISC-V

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Post by lillecarl »

tryauuum wrote: post #112
znpy wrote: post #63

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You can run whatever you want in containers. You don't even need root permissions. Red Hat's podman can launch containers without the need for root privileges. > Despite my dislike of enterprise Linux, Red Hat is doing a lot of awesome work all around the stack. IMO Fedora and the immutable distros are the real showcase of all the things they do. Fedora today is what RHEL will be tomorrow. They quite literally freeze…

it's still painful when you can't even use the os-provided version of git and have to install newer one with conda

If you can get Nix running on these ancient machines it'll bring you all up2date packages you want, you can create Nix profiles that you install in a pre-configured path so you can use the packages in systemd too if you fancy.

It's really really great, even if you don't use or plan to use NixOS (Nix was born long before NixOS).

Re: Rocky Linux 10 Will Support RISC-V

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Post by lillecarl »

znpy wrote: post #64
rubitxxx10 wrote: post #18

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I’m old. I used one of the original boxed RH distros. It was cool then. That was almost 30 years ago. I know they give back to Linux, and I’m thankful for the enterprises that pay for it because of that. It’s not a bad company, though it’s strange that you could be a great developer and lose your position there if your project gets cut, unless another team picks you up, from what I hear. But when Linus created Linux,…

> But when Linus created Linux, he didn’t do it for money, and RH just seems corporate to me like the Microsoft of Linux, way back before Microsoft had their own Linux. I want my Linux free-range not cooped. You seem to forget that Red Hat has funded a lot of the development of the Linux ecosystem. There would be essentially no modern linux environment without Red Hat.

I'm thankful to RedHat, every other "cornerstone project" seems to be funded by them. The one that crossed my mind now is the PipeWire audio server, it just solved Linux audio for realsies this time.

I wouldn't use their products for much though, too enterprisey. Their projects are great and I'm happy someone else buys their packages.

Re: Rocky Linux 10 Will Support RISC-V

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Post by dgfitz »

dismalaf wrote: post #115
dgfitz wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You ignored the premise. I can’t update. Shake you head, I didn’t make the call, canonical did.

Anyhow someone else showed they do indeed host old repos, just in a different place. Also, why can't you update? Who the hell made that contract? And is it the client the said you can't update or Canonical? Because the latter seems sus...

I can see that you’re now realizing, I didn’t have a say in the constraints. I also hate said constraints. Hand I was dealt.

Ubuntu is a cancer on the gnu/linux/open source community.

Re: Rocky Linux 10 Will Support RISC-V

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Post by LeFantome »

gerdesj wrote: post #10

I understand why people use RH and Rocky and even Oracle: the rpm wranglers. However its not for me. My earliest mainstream distro was RH when they did it just for fun (pre IBM) and then I slid slightly sideways towards Mandrake. I started off with Yggdrassil. I have to do jobs involving RH and co and its just a bit of a pain dealing with elderly stuff. Tomcat ... OK you can have one from 1863. There is a really good…

Things like Flatpak and Distrobox are game changes for these “stable” distros like RHEL or even Debian.

Core system stays static and you do not get blindsided by changes in packages you do not care about. At the same time, you can easily install very up-to-date apps and dependencies if you need them.

Re: Rocky Linux 10 Will Support RISC-V

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Post by LeFantome »

pjmlp wrote: post #80
rubitxxx10 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m old. I used one of the original boxed RH distros. It was cool then. That was almost 30 years ago. I know they give back to Linux, and I’m thankful for the enterprises that pay for it because of that. It’s not a bad company, though it’s strange that you could be a great developer and lose your position there if your project gets cut, unless another team picks you up, from what I hear. But when Linus created Linux,…

Except Linux only took off thanks to those that didn't want to pay for UNIX, and the UNIX vendors that wanted to cut down R&D costs from their own in-house UNIX clones, and were uncertain if BSD was still safe to use with the ongoing AT&T lawsuit.

It is not that they did not want to pay for UNIX. After all, they pay for RHEL.

They did not want to pay for big iron for sure, preferring commodity hardware. Even then though, many Linux boxes can get pretty expensive.

I think it is more about openness and control than it is about cost. Linux brings flexibility and freedom.

So does BSD of course. The timing of that lawsuit changed the world.

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