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Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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AStonesThrow wrote: post #52
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Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by crat3r »

This doesn't look (any?) better than what was shown a year or two ago for the initial Sora release.

I imagine video is a far tougher thing to model, but it's kind of weird how all these models are incapable of not looking like AI generated content. They all are smooth and shiny and robotic, year after year its the same. If anything, the earlier generators like that horrifying "Will Smith eating spaghetti" generation from back like three years ago looks LESS robotic than any of the recent floaty clips that are generated now.

I'm sure it will get better, whatever, but unlike the goal of LLMs for code/writing where the primary concern is how correct the output is, video won't be accepted as easily without it NOT looking like AI.

I am starting to wonder if thats even possible since these are effectively making composite guesses based on training data and the outputs do ultimately look similar to those "Here is what the average American's face looks like, based on 1000 people's faces super-imposed onto each other" that used to show up on Reddit all the time. Uncanny, soft, and not particularly interesting.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by com2kid »

jsheard wrote: post #39
com2kid wrote: post #19

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> Hollywood's wet dream. Except it bankrupts Hollywood, they are no longer needed. Of people can generate full movies at home, there is no more Hollywood. The end game is endless ultra personalized content beamed into people's heads every free waking hour of the day. Hollywood is irrelevant in that future.

> Of people can generate full movies at home, there is no more Hollywood. LLMs have been in the oven for years longer than this, and I'm not seeing any signs of people generating their own novels at home. Well, besides the get-rich-quick grifters spamming the Kindle store with incoherent slop in the hopes they can trick someone into parting with a dollar before they realize they've been had.

Look at view counts for short form videos that are 100% AI generated.

The good "creators" are already making bank, helped by app algorithms matching people up to content they'll find addictive to view.

The content doesn't have to be good it just has to be addictive for 80% of the population.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by ahmedfromtunis »

crat3r wrote: post #112

This doesn't look (any?) better than what was shown a year or two ago for the initial Sora release. I imagine video is a far tougher thing to model, but it's kind of weird how all these models are incapable of not looking like AI generated content. They all are smooth and shiny and robotic, year after year its the same. If anything, the earlier generators like that horrifying "Will Smith eating spaghetti" generation…

It has long been established that Veo has a waaay better understanding of physics, and consistency over multiple frames, than Sora. Not even close.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by Imnimo »

>Imagen 4 is available today in the Gemini app, Whisk, Vertex AI and across Slides, Vids, Docs and more in Workspace.

I'm always hesitant with rollouts like this. If I go to one of these, there's no indication which Imagen version I'm getting results from. If I get an output that's underwhelming, how do I know whether it's the new model or if the rollout hasn't reached me yet?

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by crat3r »

ahmedfromtunis wrote: post #114
crat3r wrote: post #112

This doesn't look (any?) better than what was shown a year or two ago for the initial Sora release. I imagine video is a far tougher thing to model, but it's kind of weird how all these models are incapable of not looking like AI generated content. They all are smooth and shiny and robotic, year after year its the same. If anything, the earlier generators like that horrifying "Will Smith eating spaghetti" generation…

It has long been established that Veo has a waaay better understanding of physics, and consistency over multiple frames, than Sora. Not even close.

I want to be clear, I don't think Sora looks better. What I am saying is they both look AI generated to a fault, something I would have thought would be not as prominent at this point.

I don't follow the video generation stuff, so the last time I saw AI video it was the initial Sora release, and I just went back to that press release and I still maintain that this does not seem like the type of leap I would have expected.

We see pretty massive upgrades every release between all the major LLM models for code/reasoning, but I was kind of shocked to see that the video output seems stuck in late 2023/early 2024 which was impressive then but a lot less impressive a year out I guess.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by gamblor956 »

ahmedfromtunis wrote: post #88
nrjames wrote: post #70

This is technically impressive and I commend the team that brought it to life. It makes me sad, though. I wish we were pushing AI more to automate non-creative work and not burying the creatives among us in a pile of AI generated content.

The amount of gatekeeping I see when this topic is brought is outstanding! Why can't people be happy that more individuals would be soon able to create freely in a more accessible way? Personally I can't wait to see the new creative doors ai will open for us!

There's nothing creative in having someone or something else doing the work for you.

"Creating" with an AI is like an executive "inventing" the work actually done by their team of researchers. A team owner "winning" a game played by the their team.

That being said, AI output is very useful for brainstorming and exploring a creative space. The problem is when the brainstorming material is used for production.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by dyauspitr »

swalsh wrote: post #109
nrjames wrote: post #70

This is technically impressive and I commend the team that brought it to life. It makes me sad, though. I wish we were pushing AI more to automate non-creative work and not burying the creatives among us in a pile of AI generated content.

I think the non-creative work is coming... but it's harder, needs more accuracy, and just generally takes more effort. But it's 100% coming. AI today can one shot with about 80% perfection. But for use cases that need to be higher than that, that last 20% is grueling to gain. It's like taking a jet across the country, and then getting jammed in traffic while you're taking a taxi to your hotel.

There’s limited training data for physical movements. Once there is enough of that the non creative space will start getting their own LLMs.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by Legend2440 »

imp0cat wrote: post #105
jader201 wrote: post #49

I'm surprised no one has yet to mention the use of the name "Flow", which is also the title of the 2025 Oscar winning animated movie, built using Blender. [1] This naming seems very confusing, as I originally thought there must be some connection. But I don't think there is. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43237273

Would Google really stoop so low and try to use the success of the movie to prop their AI video generator tool? But then again, the do no evil motto is long gone, so I guess anything goes now?

It's a common word. There are like 50 things named Flow. It's unrelated.
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