I might be missing something, but it feels weird that it’s named after Sora?
sora is the japanese word for sky, and it's not that uncommon a name.
Sure, but this is literally named after OpenAI’s Sora: https://arxiv.org/abs/2412.10255
AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The output of artists has copyright. Copyright is a very messy and divisive topic. How exactly can an artist claim ownership of a thought or an image? It is often difficult to ascertain whether a piece of art infringes on the copyright of another. There are grey areas like "fair use", which complicate this further. In many cases copyright is also abused by holders to censor art that they don't like for a myriad of…
>Art created by humans is not entirely original. The catch here is that a human can use single sample as input, but AI needs a torrent of training data. Also when AI generates permutations of samples, does their statistic match training data?
A skilled artist can imitate a single art style or draw a specific object from a single reference. But becoming a skilled artist takes years of training. As a society we like to pretend some humans are randomly gifted with the ability to draw, but in reality it's 5% talent and 95% spending countless hours practising the craft. And if you count the years worth of visual data the average human has experienced by the time they can recreate a van Gogh then humans take magnitudes more training data than state of the art ML models
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#113I welcome this. I know there is a huge market for those excited for infinite anime music videos and all things anime. This is great for an abundance of content and everyone will become anime artists now. Japan is truly is embracing AI and there will be new jobs for everyone thanks to the boom AI is creating as well as Jevons paradox which will create huge demand. Even better if this open source.
I don't know, I used to like some anime and mangas when I was 14 in the mid 90's. Nowadays it seems everyone is interested by "anime style" of content but all I see is terrible in term of quality. It seems quantity increased so much in the last 30 years it only made quality stuff more invisible and we are inundated with animelike trash.
Yes, but that doesn’t mean good things aren’t being made today. In fact, plenty of recent shows are better (in every regard: pacing, animation quality, character development, themes, …) than most popular stuff we had in the 90s. Heck, they’re better than many live action shows today. Quality from the 90s era looks skewed in the West, because we had such limited access that what even crossed the barrier were outliers in their own right.
YouTube channels like Mother’s Basement help picking out something to watch. Geoff has routinely pointed how he literally watches anime for a living and it’s still hard to watch everything worthy he finds.
Video titles are pretty self-explanatory. If you want to find something to watch, fire up one of “The BEST Anime of [season] [year]” and you’ll get plenty of recommendations, nicely ordered and with some short explanation of what it is about and why it’s noteworthy.
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#114Some of these are very obviously trained on webtoons and manga, probably pixiv as well. This is very clear due to seeing CG buildings and other misc artifacts. So this is obviously trained on copyrighted material. Art is something that cannot be generated like synthetic text so it will have to be nearly forever powered by human artists or else you will continue to end up with artifacting. So it makes me wonder if art…
> Art is something that cannot be generated Of course it can be, you're seeing it first hand with your very own eyes.
I think we're seeing machine generation of derivative visual materials.
There's a difference, in my mind at least. "Art" is cultural activity and expression, there needs to be intent, creativity, imagination..
A printer spooling out wallpaper is not making art, even if there was artistry involved in making the initial pattern that is now being spooled out.
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#115Some of these are very obviously trained on webtoons and manga, probably pixiv as well. This is very clear due to seeing CG buildings and other misc artifacts. So this is obviously trained on copyrighted material. Art is something that cannot be generated like synthetic text so it will have to be nearly forever powered by human artists or else you will continue to end up with artifacting. So it makes me wonder if art…
The problem I have with the whole copyright AI thing is that the big ones benefit. If you reference any famous Copyright in chatgpt etc. you will get blocked but a small artist's stuff is not. Open it for all or nothing.
We probably should just stop enforcing copyright. “Stealing” my idea doesn’t deprive me of its use. Think about what the US market might look like if scaling and efficiency were rewarded rather than legal capture of markets. That large companies can buy and bury technology IP to maintain a market position is a tremendous loss for the rest of us.
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#116I am super conflicted about this kind of AI. I want artists to create the next amazing season of Solo Leveling, but I dont want to wait 1 year for it. You could argue that those tools in the hands of skilled craftsman will create amazing things faster, but we all know what will happen is absolute flood of AI slop in every entertainment category.
There has always been slop in animation. Some of it quite successful. "Why does this anime have fewer frames than the manga it's based on" has been a reoccurring topic over the years.
South Park looks like MS-Paint drawings hastily animated by someone without access to Adobe Animate. It still manages to be a good and beloved show because it shines in other ways
The world of entertainment is big enough for both Studio Ghibli productions and South Park to exist. AI slop will find its niche too. It will consume some animation jobs just as all the automaton and tooling coming before has, but I'm of the strong belief there will still be a market for good handmade art
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#117Some of these are very obviously trained on webtoons and manga, probably pixiv as well. This is very clear due to seeing CG buildings and other misc artifacts. So this is obviously trained on copyrighted material. Art is something that cannot be generated like synthetic text so it will have to be nearly forever powered by human artists or else you will continue to end up with artifacting. So it makes me wonder if art…
Disclaimer: I'm an artist with 30+ years of experience.
Downgraded to AI training? Nonsense. You forget artists do more than just draw for money, we also draw for FUN, and that little detail escapes every single AI-related discussion I've been reading for the last 3 years.
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#118Some of these are very obviously trained on webtoons and manga, probably pixiv as well. This is very clear due to seeing CG buildings and other misc artifacts. So this is obviously trained on copyrighted material. Art is something that cannot be generated like synthetic text so it will have to be nearly forever powered by human artists or else you will continue to end up with artifacting. So it makes me wonder if art…
> Art is something that cannot be generated like synthetic text 10 years ago: "real real text cannot be generated like stock phrases, so writing will be nearly forever powered by human writers."
Now: "you can block that AI slop with uBlock, switch to Firefox if you haven't"
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Artists push the envelope. With AI tools artists will be able to push further, doing things that AI can't do yet.
Push further can only artists that weren't crippled by AI.
What do you mean? How can AI cripple an artist? Even if the AI can do stuff better than I can in less time, it doesn't affect my art at all. It's the same thing as human artists better than them existing. Then again, I've seen people who get jealous to a raging degree because artist X can do better than them, so...
Every artist worth anything strives to be better at their craft on the daily, if that artist gets discouraged because there's something "better", that means that artist is not good because those negative emotions are coming from a competitive place instead of one of self-improvement and care for their craft or the audience. Art is only a competition with oneself, and artists that don't understand or refuse this fact are doomed from the start.
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Push further can only artists that weren't crippled by AI.
What do you mean? How can AI cripple an artist? Even if the AI can do stuff better than I can in less time, it doesn't affect my art at all. It's the same thing as human artists better than them existing. Then again, I've seen people who get jealous to a raging degree because artist X can do better than them, so... Every artist worth anything strives to be better at their craft on the daily, if that artist gets disco…
Nice idealistic view. It doesn't pay the bills.
Artists quit doing art when they have to flip burgers instead.
And AI is absolutely unconditionally a competitor in that arena.