This whole idea doesn't make any sense. Someone with a world ID could still be running AI agents on their behalf with their private key, or use stolen / bought keys from other people. On the other hand, Sam Altman could be running millions of fake personas, because they can generate keys from thin air. Also, Sam Altman would have the power to invalidate your keys, or the keys of people he doesn't like. It would be an absolute catastrophe if this system was used for voting or something important.
Sam Altman Wants Your Eyeball
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Re: Sam Altman Wants Your Eyeball
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because they have to be able to sell you the cure to the disease they created: pretty soon nearly all content online will be AI-generated, and the only way you'll be able to tell if you're talking to a human is with cryptographically-sealed boot chains, verified with remote attestation, and with this eyeball device at the end to make sure there's a human there.
In the future: Easy Remote Job Opportunity! Pay is $1/hr. Perfect for retirees, disabled, and even kids! Requirements: have an eye ball. Duties: whatever you want, except when this device beeps, look into the camera. Is Amazon's Mechanical Turk or whatever paying people to solve captchas still a thing?
It's about time my dog got a job.
Re: Sam Altman Wants Your Eyeball
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because they have to be able to sell you the cure to the disease they created: pretty soon nearly all content online will be AI-generated, and the only way you'll be able to tell if you're talking to a human is with cryptographically-sealed boot chains, verified with remote attestation, and with this eyeball device at the end to make sure there's a human there.
> the only way you'll be able to tell if you're talking to a human is with... Or the tried-and-true method of trusting only friends, friends of friends, recommendations from friends, etc.
Yes but the point is not to ensure that you know that you're interacting with a human. The point is for whoever paid for the ad to know that a real human is seeing it (and not, for instance, and AI in a docker container).
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can only assume that you don’t work in financial technology if you believe that KYC is a solved problem. Proving authenticity in an increasingly diasporic society is difficult. We should seek to either reduce or embrace entropy in the design of our systems. You either want systems which prove there are no Sybil attacks, or you manufacture halls of mirrors. This is a continuous battle, there’s no panacea here, even…
I’ve been working on KYC recently, curious to hear what the problems with it are in your opinion?
Synthetic identities, probably
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes the government and or private companies don’t have a copy of my fingerprints and I’d honestly rather they didn’t have pictures of my face on record either. Just because we’ve become accustomed to these breaches of our privacy doesn’t mean they are good.
> Just because we’ve become accustomed to these breaches of our privacy doesn’t mean they are good. 100% this. The fact that the governments and corporations have enough information at their fingertips to identify people from chance photos is, IMO, not good. However that genie is out of the bottle and there is no way to get it back in. Cameras are ubiquitous and one can get a decent quality fingerprint from store cam…
> And this is just a tip of the iceberg.
My teeth were 3D scanned at very high resolution by my dentist the other day. He is leading edge and is now doing it for all patients (was previously only patients with replacement needs). I assume the information is going to some US provider somewhere.
Iris scanning and lots of other biometrics like capillaries can be done from a distance (e.g. iris scan at airport security in NZ).
Re: Sam Altman Wants Your Eyeball
#116So this is the future-billionaires won't just sell us services, they'll trap us in entire ecosystems they control. I'd be more surprised if X doesn't eventually turn into one of them in recent future.
So where's the line? What as X not yet done to make you suggest that it is not already the kind of trap that you're describing?
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
What does a picture of your eye allow that fingerprints, face scans and other passport biometrics that have already been collected and linked do not? Honest question.
> that have already been collected That would require a big "source" for this claim. Feel free to downvote me, please provide a source because it's false so far.
Fine, I will bite at this sealioning
Recent month-ago story of police department looking to trade its mugshot face database for access to facial recognition software: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43853297
Government directly looking to share biometrics.
Re: Sam Altman Wants Your Eyeball
#118I'm an ophthalmologist. I look at irises all day. People's irises change over the course of their life. Sometimes dramatically if they have some kind of pathology. Are they updating their model periodically? What keeps someone from getting locked out of their crypto gains if they develop an iris nevus or have cataract surgery or start on flomax?
Thanks for this interesting point of view. However, it may makes sense to consider whether the gap you point to can be reduced significantly with AI, by training it separately with aging eye data using existing medical data independent from the general iris pool. I have no idea how realistic that would be personally.
I wondered this with things like FaceID. In my head, every time it unlocks it’s tweaking and tuning the what it knows to be the user, so it can adapt as a person ages, goes through weight changes, etc. However, in practice this may not be the case, since there is an easy backup and a person can re-register pretty easily.
On the topic of eyes, my dad recently had surgery on his eyes and they did one at a time, for obvious reasons. That could be a way to transition. Register both, have surgery on one, let it heal, register the healed eye, have surgery on the other, then register that. Always using the good and registered eye to authenticate. But this isn’t realistic. It requires way too much forethought and planning, when people’s minds are elsewhere.
Re: Sam Altman Wants Your Eyeball
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
What does a picture of your eye allow that fingerprints, face scans and other passport biometrics that have already been collected and linked do not? Honest question.
> that have already been collected That would require a big "source" for this claim. Feel free to downvote me, please provide a source because it's false so far.
In the EU it is mandatory to provide your fingerprints and a biometric scan of your face to the government. The data is stored on your government issued identification card.
Re: Sam Altman Wants Your Eyeball
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can only assume that you don’t work in financial technology if you believe that KYC is a solved problem. Proving authenticity in an increasingly diasporic society is difficult. We should seek to either reduce or embrace entropy in the design of our systems. You either want systems which prove there are no Sybil attacks, or you manufacture halls of mirrors. This is a continuous battle, there’s no panacea here, even…
I’ve been working on KYC recently, curious to hear what the problems with it are in your opinion?
Speaking as a fraud detective, it appears to be completely ineffective.