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US vs. Google amicus curiae brief of Y Combinator in support of plaintiffs [pdf]

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Google is the reason for the current AI boom. Without the transformer architecture they invented by funding basic research, there would be no modern LLMs. YC is arguing that their incentive for funding that basic research should be taken away in order to spur innovation?

You can do basic research without being monopolistic.

The greatest private sector basic research institute that has ever existed was the result of a government granted monopoly, so you have to admit, it helps.

Re: US vs. Google amicus curiae brief of Y Combinator in support of plaintiffs [pdf]

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You can do basic research without being monopolistic.

There are many other search engine options, why should Google be punished for hiring the best people over decades to make the best one? Many consumers also switch their search to Google when presented with other options or defaults.

Note, Google also uses user interaction data from Chrome to influence the search results. [0]

[0] https://www.seroundtable.com/google-search-user-interaction-...

Re: US vs. Google amicus curiae brief of Y Combinator in support of plaintiffs [pdf]

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Google is the reason for the current AI boom. Without the transformer architecture they invented by funding basic research, there would be no modern LLMs. YC is arguing that their incentive for funding that basic research should be taken away in order to spur innovation?

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Re: US vs. Google amicus curiae brief of Y Combinator in support of plaintiffs [pdf]

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post #31

Google is the reason for the current AI boom. Without the transformer architecture they invented by funding basic research, there would be no modern LLMs. YC is arguing that their incentive for funding that basic research should be taken away in order to spur innovation?

You can do basic research without being monopolistic.

Debatable. I visited the down at the heels post break up Bell Labs and it was sad.

Re: US vs. Google amicus curiae brief of Y Combinator in support of plaintiffs [pdf]

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AI will democratize search regardless What do you mean by this and how will it happen?

companies like perplexity, as the models get better, competing on search will be trivial

Agreed. Because really what happens when we search is we run through a gauntlet of contrived websites stuffed with ads and trackers and referral links, selling someone else's stuff, splitting someone else's content across multiple page views, requiring your personal information if you want to view the content in its entirety, trying their best to be the #1 result for specific phrases that will get traffic even though shovelware sites should never be the authoritative source for someone else's product or company or content, while others pay to have their contrived websites be listed before them. None of this is necessary with AI.

Re: US vs. Google amicus curiae brief of Y Combinator in support of plaintiffs [pdf]

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You certainly have a point. Places like google and bell labs have pushed innovation, apparently enabled by monopolies. I would rather we don’t allow monopolies since they are so bad for society, regardless of some benefits. Government funded research and private investment are still a thing, that doesn’t try to break the whole capitalism thing.

> You certainly have a point. Places like google and bell labs have pushed innovation, apparently enabled by monopolies. I've heard this argument before (and recognize that you aren't defending it), but telecommunications, network and technology innovation has hardly suffered since Bell was dismantled in 1982.

You cannot possibly know which innovations and standardizations happened past 1982 in the world in which Bell was not dismantled.

Re: US vs. Google amicus curiae brief of Y Combinator in support of plaintiffs [pdf]

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post #31

Google is the reason for the current AI boom. Without the transformer architecture they invented by funding basic research, there would be no modern LLMs. YC is arguing that their incentive for funding that basic research should be taken away in order to spur innovation?

You can do basic research without being monopolistic.

It's normal for mature industries to evolve into oligopolies. The filing goes far beyond fighting cartel-like behavior, into pretty ludicrous stuff (like "open access to Google’s datasets and search Index").

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A. The Remedy Should Open Access to Google’s Datasets and Search Index. B. The Remedy Should Prevent Google from Extending Its Monopolies into Query-Based AI Tools. Good luck with that YC...

And Netflix shouldn’t have been able to extend its monopoly in shipping DVDs to streaming

That's not comparable. Netflix did not have a monopoly on "shipping DVDs". Plenty of retailers, online or brick-and-mortar, did that at the same time Netflix did, and video rental places were still going. Some of which would deliver movies (the local Marcos near me had a deal with a local Family Video where if you bought a large pizza they would bring you both the pizza and a movie of your choice from Family Video, assuming it was in stock).

Nor has Netflix had a monopoly on streaming.

Re: US vs. Google amicus curiae brief of Y Combinator in support of plaintiffs [pdf]

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These are the key points as I understand them: Amicus curiae (friend of the court) brief is being submitted by Y Combinator to pile on the US vs Google anti-trust case. YC asks court to basically cripple Google in their Search, Advertising and AI endeavours: - Open access to Google's datasets and search index. - Restrict Google's expansion into AI through monopolistic practices. - Limit Google exclusive agreements an…

Would YC have said the same if Google was YC funded? As much as I dislike Google I think some of the stuff they are asking are basically asking google to give up on ad or certain business.

Of course they wouldn't. If it puts green in Paul Graham's pocket then YC is all for it.
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