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Re: JetBrains defends removal of negative reviews for unpopular AI Assistant

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The second a better product comes along I'm moving away from Jetbrains. Unfortunately I think we're about to get into an IDE winter since everything thinks all problems should just be solved by AI rather than doing the hard work like "good refactoring tools" and "acceptable user experience".

Even without AI winter, I don't know how you can catch up to intellij. Vscode is a hodge podge of dubious quality plugins by randos. I'm sure you can build yourself a nice IDE by being very selective, but part of what I'm paying for is the curation and cohesiveness, and I think you need a big player that is invested in building something for a large variety of use cases. I think Microsoft has their own set of tooling…

> what I'm paying for is the curation and cohesiveness

Seriously. This is where Jetbrains went astray. Their original programmers I think were pretty high quality, but their product people are clearly so pants-on-head clueless that they wouldn't know a golden goose if it crushed them under metric tons of golden eggs. Good things don't power-law scale and "let's make 1000 forked IDEs and 50 really weird infrastructure servers" isn't a winning strategy. It's how you bury yourself in tech debt.

> I'm not sure Google really wants to make a public IDE.

I mean, that's what launched Jetbrains in the first place. Google needed proper development tools for Android and a language more modern than Java at the time to support it. So we got Android Studio and Kotlin. They dumped a bunch of money into them and this is what we got once they started to get more independent.

Re: JetBrains defends removal of negative reviews for unpopular AI Assistant

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I agree, they should focus more on quality, because there are still a ton of tiny, yet annoying issues. In Webstorm it sometimes does not recognize comments (colorizes them as code), does not reliably recognize multi line ToDos, and frequently warns me in a if (myVar == null) that myVar may not have been initialized. At least the last issue is as old as the hills, has been reported several times, and yet they seem to…

Just my two cents: For multi line ToDos, make sure the comment in the second line begins with a space.

Thanks, but I know that. Most of the time it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Re: JetBrains defends removal of negative reviews for unpopular AI Assistant

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I don't think that they think it is a good one. It was just the best excuse they could come up with after being caught. The "good idea" was to remove the reviews without anybody noticing.

They sent emails notifying people that their comments were removed. They weren't exactly trying very hard to be sly.

Or the PM didn't know it would automatically send emails.

Re: JetBrains defends removal of negative reviews for unpopular AI Assistant

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I mean, it's hard for me to act like I really care. If I wanted to piss and moan about the topic du-jour I'd make a new account and wait 2 weeks. HN only censors you if you're too vain to abandon your 500 karma profile to start a new one up. The lapse of communication is what bothers me, and I suppose it's because the moderators know they can't justify the punishment. Preventing someone from protecting their posterit…

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Re: JetBrains defends removal of negative reviews for unpopular AI Assistant

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That’s what they’re evidently trying to do, but it means they’re moving too slow and the AI integration feels like a bolted on afterthought (hence the reaction to failed features like this). I am a lifetime user of PyCharm but the reality is that Cursor is just so much more productive now. “Junie” is a decent attempt but nowhere close to Cursor yet.

If I rename a function in Cursor, will it modify the name everywhere in the codebase? (I honestly don't know)

The refactoring feature in Cursor barely works, unlike any Intellij products

Re: JetBrains defends removal of negative reviews for unpopular AI Assistant

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They have much superior product compared to VSCode in terms of pretty much everything, except AI. Not sure why it’s so hard for them to catch up with Cursor. They have everything they need but somehow they focus on just something that they don’t have much expertise, building models instead of better integration. It’s a shame seeing such good product going downhill considering AI is becoming fundamental for dev produc…

Unless I have to use them indirectly via Android Studio, I prefer to stay on Eclipse or Netbeans land for Java. Visual Studio is still the best for C++, followed by C++ Builder. VSCode is the only Electon app that I tolerate on my own computers. When is InteliJ finally going to support JNI development instead of requiring two IDE licences?

I prefer Java in VS Code, but unfortunately there's no solid option for Kotlin outside of IntelliJ.

One of my two major gripes about Kotlin -- that, and the lack of a standardized style guide and formatting tool so that there's no bikeshedding or difference between repos.

Re: JetBrains defends removal of negative reviews for unpopular AI Assistant

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> a JetBrains employee said that reviews were removed because they mentioned issues that had since been solved That shouldn't be considered a valid reason to remove a review. I could maybe understand down-weighting reviews as they age and as issues are resolved, but as a potential buyer of some product/service/whatever, knowing that something was released with a bunch of issues (even if now solved) is a valuable sign…

I like how I've seen this addressed (maybe in Google Play?) where they tag the review to the version and indicate that to the reader.

Re: JetBrains defends removal of negative reviews for unpopular AI Assistant

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Even without AI winter, I don't know how you can catch up to intellij. Vscode is a hodge podge of dubious quality plugins by randos. I'm sure you can build yourself a nice IDE by being very selective, but part of what I'm paying for is the curation and cohesiveness, and I think you need a big player that is invested in building something for a large variety of use cases. I think Microsoft has their own set of tooling…

> what I'm paying for is the curation and cohesiveness Seriously. This is where Jetbrains went astray. Their original programmers I think were pretty high quality, but their product people are clearly so pants-on-head clueless that they wouldn't know a golden goose if it crushed them under metric tons of golden eggs. Good things don't power-law scale and "let's make 1000 forked IDEs and 50 really weird infrastructure…

I was using IntelliJ before Android came along, and Android Studio was Eclipse-based until Android 4.x (and Java-based well after that!). Kotlin was an alternative to Java 1.6, already fairly late, and wasn’t well supported on android until much later. Before ART, Android didn’t even run Kotlin outside of trivial programs because of the dex classfile limit!

Re: JetBrains defends removal of negative reviews for unpopular AI Assistant

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> it was just a lightning fast Java code editor Uh, I don't think it's ever been "lightning fast"... Great at refactoring, navigation, and boilerplate generation, yeah; fast, no.

It was actually known as the fast option. You have to remember that this was from a time where the alternatives were Eclipse and NetBeans. Lightweight vim/emacs style "text editor" IDE's (maybe except for hardcore configuration heavy plugin collections) hadn't come around yet.

I guess if you compared it to those two, it definitely was faster ("lightning" though, really?). TBH, at the time, for Java I was happily using the likes of jEdit with a bunch of plugins, and for Microsoft stuff I had Visual Studio. Those editors were fast; IDEA had many advantages in comparison, but definitely not speed for me.

Re: JetBrains defends removal of negative reviews for unpopular AI Assistant

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Unless I have to use them indirectly via Android Studio, I prefer to stay on Eclipse or Netbeans land for Java. Visual Studio is still the best for C++, followed by C++ Builder. VSCode is the only Electon app that I tolerate on my own computers. When is InteliJ finally going to support JNI development instead of requiring two IDE licences?

I prefer Java in VS Code, but unfortunately there's no solid option for Kotlin outside of IntelliJ. One of my two major gripes about Kotlin -- that, and the lack of a standardized style guide and formatting tool so that there's no bikeshedding or difference between repos.

Java in VSCode is either Eclipse or Netbeans running headless, better use the real deal.

Of course that is no Kotlin outside InteliJ, JetBrains even has a blog post on how Kotlin is supposed to help selling more licenses.

https://blog.jetbrains.com/kotlin/2011/08/why-jetbrains-need...

By the way, for a little while there were some JetBrains employees doing an Eclipse plugin, but naturally they ramped out that effort.

https://blog.jetbrains.com/kotlin/2015/09/kotlin-eclipse-plu...

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