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Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by tomjen3 »

qwertox wrote: post #45

I was given a free month of Kagi to test, and it had so many rough edges that during the last days of of the trial I was already using Google again. Notable issues for me: - maps (from Mapbox) are really bad. Sluggish performance and lack of information - barely any info boxes - no translation feature ("gründonnerstag englisch") gives me links to leo.org (which was a cool site in the 00s) and to other sites, but Goog…

When did you try it?

Because they have been working on all those issues. They even have their own translation now.

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Post by freezingDaniel »

drake_112 wrote: post #107
baobabKoodaa wrote: post #95

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I have no idea if I will be limited or not. I can see I have about 3 million tokens used per month. But I don't know where the limits are.

Kagi says they will charge the actual token costs of the underlying API's. They will hopefully make the actual calculation visible soon. If we make a quick back of the envelope estimation: in the outlier case if those 3 million tokens are mostly output tokens and you always used an advanced model like GPT 4.1 which costs $8 per 1 million output tokens you would be close to hitting the limit that the plan provides ($2…

I wish they had first included/added a usage meter then the limit. If they had first given users a way to see their usage, users of the assisstent could know how much they have to worry about the change. As it stands I use up to 2m tokens per month but have no clue how much this amount of tokens (over various models) cost. And 5% hitting the limit and not having a way to just pay for usage past the limit (yet) is kind of dauntingI wish they had first added a usage meter before implementing the limit. If they had first given users a way to monitor their usage, users of the assistant could know how much they have to worry about the change.

As it stands, I use up to 2M tokens per month but have no clue how much this amount of tokens (across various models) costs.

And 5% hitting the limit and not having a way to pay for usage past the limit (yet) is kind of scary. Especially as I feel like I use AI more than my peers.

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Post by eitland »

TekMol wrote: post #110
eitland wrote: post #97

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> How do you know they do that? Because it has been widely discussed for years. > And how do you know Kagi does not? Because the source code of that feature is open and you can look into it I guess

> Because it has been widely discussed for years. That Google does fingerprinting across searches to cluster them and pinpoint them to a person? Are you sure you are not confusing this with cookies? Cookies are under my control. I can decide to not store them or just delete them. > Because the source code of that feature is open and you can look into it I guess You can't know what source code that is running on the s…

I think it is interesting that you think everything Google does is kind of more ok just because you think it is limited to cookies while simultaneously being extremely skeptical towards Kagi, not giving them the slightest benefit of doubt.

> You can't know what source code that is running on the server which you send your queries to.

Based on my (admittedly cursory) reading of the ideas behind it, the idea of the IETF standard they implemented is that one does not have to trust the server.

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Post by tstrimple »

notpushkin wrote: post #84
mjamesaustin wrote: post #60

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Any suggestions for how you got your lenses, bangs, assistant set up the way you like? I recently subscribed to Kagi and feel like I don't really know how to get in the habit of really using all the features.

You can start by looking at https://kagi.com/stats?stat=leaderboard and adjusting domains that make sense to you. E.g. I have all Pinterest lowered, as well as w3schools.com as I prefer developer.mozilla.org (which I raised instead). For bangs I’m pretty sure the default ones might be enough – just use them! Some of my go-to bangs are !gh, !gm for Google Maps (Kagi Maps are sometimes not as good in Asia), !yt, !mdn,…

I just stumbled across cooked.wiki recently. It allows you to convert any bullshit online recipe to a no-frills ingredient list and instructions. I've only tested it a couple times and I know I'll rarely remember to use the shortcut (" rel="nofollow">https://cooked.wiki/). But setting it up as a redirect rule from search results might be the thing that pushes usability over the top.

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Post by gaiagraphia »

louthy wrote: post #104
gaiagraphia wrote: post #102

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I'm really surprised that more people didn't jump on the unlimited usage of Claude3.7, tbh. Don't think it's fair to call users problematic when they were using the product as advertised. "Unlimited" has a meaning.

> Don't think it's fair to call users problematic when they were using the product as advertised. "Unlimited" has a meaning. I'm sympathetic to that argument, for sure, but it's also just a branding-label to not necessarily be taken literally. There must always be a limit to everything as there's only so much energy in the universe: so, the word 'unlimited', in every real-world physical context , is still with limits…

Personally, I think it's a bit scummy to expect customers to trawl through T&Cs, when the company gets to sit back and chill, while profiting from using 'unlimited' front and centre.

There's a subtle difference between using something for 5 hours per day vs causing the heat death of the unvierse.

Metred use, with all parties being informed and honest with wording, is the fair and ethical solution. I absolutely abhor how companies are allowed to change meanings of words, then run behind 'muh conditions' when they lose out on their gamble.

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Post by louthy »

gaiagraphia wrote: post #116
louthy wrote: post #104

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> Don't think it's fair to call users problematic when they were using the product as advertised. "Unlimited" has a meaning. I'm sympathetic to that argument, for sure, but it's also just a branding-label to not necessarily be taken literally. There must always be a limit to everything as there's only so much energy in the universe: so, the word 'unlimited', in every real-world physical context , is still with limits…

Personally, I think it's a bit scummy to expect customers to trawl through T&Cs, when the company gets to sit back and chill, while profiting from using 'unlimited' front and centre. There's a subtle difference between using something for 5 hours per day vs causing the heat death of the unvierse. Metred use, with all parties being informed and honest with wording, is the fair and ethical solution. I absolutely abhor…

> There's a subtle difference between using something for 5 hours per day vs causing the heat death of the universe.

Replace 'heat death of the universe' with 'the available funds of the organisation'. Nobody should be so naive to think that any 'unlimited' service is unlimited in the same way as there's an unlimited set of natural-numbers, or any other mathematically pure meaning. There are plenty of words where the precise meaning isn't used any more ('myriad' is one that jumps to mind right now, nobody uses it to mean 10,000 any more).

I'm sure if there was a word that meant: "effectively unlimited for the majority, but there's a limit for the extreme outliers" I'm sure it would be used as an alternative, I don't know of one?

I agree that the absolute upper-limits should be upfront. So the local definition of 'unlimited' is clear. I believe that's what Kagi is moving toward, if I'm reading FAQ correctly.

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Post by Phenomenit »

mdhen wrote: post #28
Phenomenit wrote: post #17

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Yeah I concur. As an early adopter I first got forced off my grandfather plan to the regular one(at least I got a T-shirt). Now I have a limited number of searches that I have to keep track of and this has made me only use Kagi if necessary. This has dropped my number of searches significantly but at the end of the year I’m still being charged for renewing my plan even though I haven’t used a quarter of my allotted s…

How do you use kagi and not know the basic plan has unlimited searches and has had it for ages?

It doesn’t, I use the starter plan, that’s the lowest paid tie.

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Post by [deleted] »

qwertox wrote: post #52
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #49

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> Other than that, the search results are really good. I'm confused why anything else would matter. For example, I'll readily admit that Kagi maps sucks compared to Google maps. But I just use Google for map stuff, and use Kagi for searching. It doesn't seem like a big deal to me that it's a tool which does one thing and does it well.

Because all these things improve efficiency. They give you the result at one glance. With good search results I refer to those which normally take you to sites, not just quick lookups like time zone conversion or translations. For example results which point to documentation or GitHub.

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Post by raphman »

RadiozRadioz wrote: post #94
weird-eye-issue wrote: post #73

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They are profitable And besides my point was that it's pretty clear what their monetization is and that it's not some mystery

> They are profitable Citation needed. With this type of company and business model, it's highly unusual to be profitable, so the burden of proof is on those who say it is.

They are apparently not profitable (yet):

> Discord has raised a total of about $1 billion in funding. It has more than $700 million in cash on its balance sheet and the goal to become profitable this year, according to a person familiar with the matter.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/11/24034705/discord-layoffs-...

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