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Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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To quote Nikita Bier, never underestimate how many people just want to watch Netflix and die.

Am I the only one who can't stand Netflix's deluge of content? They occasionally had something good, but it's like once every two years.

You just need to drastically recalibrate your definition of good.

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

#113

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To quote Nikita Bier, never underestimate how many people just want to watch Netflix and die.

Am I the only one who can't stand Netflix's deluge of content? They occasionally had something good, but it's like once every two years.

It's an AI slop factory, and it's not going to get any better.

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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post #43

this is semi-relevant -- and I do love how technically amazing this all is, but a massive caveat for someone who's been dabbling hard in this space, (images+video) -- I cannot emphasize enough how draining text-2- is. even when a result comes out that's kind of cool, I feel nothing because it wasn't really me who did it. I would say 97% of the time, the results are not what I want (and of course that's the case, it's…

> So far the only products spawning from these tools are tiktok/general internet spam companies.

Help me here. If tiktok becomes filled with these, will it mean that watching tiktok "curated" algorithmic results will be about digesting AI content? Like, going to a restaurant to be served rubber balloons full of air that then people will do their best to swallow whole?[^1]. Could this be it? The demise of the algorithm? Or will people just swallow rubber balloons filled with air?

[^1]: Do please use this sentence as a prompt :-)

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

#115

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Everyone keeps ignoring supply and demand when talking about the impacts of AI. Let's just assume it really gets so good you can do this and it doesn't suck. Yes the costs will get so low that there will be almost no barrier to making content but if there is no barrier to making content, the ROI will be massive, and so everyone will be doing it, you can more or less have the exact movie you want in your head on deman…

Unless something radically changes, we're quite far from creating movies on demand. Most AI video generators cost ~$1-10 per minute. And generally it takes many attempts to generate a few seconds of anything that's not completely trash. Another issue is quality. Most of these AI generators output quite blurry 720p. If you want proper 4K output, we're at least a couple of doublings away. I think we will have some dece…

there's a blender mcp addon available for folks who already have a clue how to make use of that..

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

#116

As usual with Gen AI the curated demo itself displays misunderstanding and failure to meet the prompt. In the "Glacial Cavern" demo, the "candy figures" are not within the ice walls but are in the foreground/center of the scene. These things are great (I am not being sarcastic, I mean it when I say great) if and only if you don't actually care about all of your requirements being met, but if exactness matters they ar…

Indeed.

Even a bad VFX artist has so much more control over what they do. I think that the day "text-to-video" reaches the level of control that said bad VFX artist has from week one, it will be because we have sentient AIs which will, for all ends and purposes, be people.

That's not to say that there is no place for AI-generated content. Worst case scenario, it will be so good at poisoning the well that people will need to find another well.

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Will the AI itself never be a good content creator/director/artist? People are always out there tying to convince others that AI is better than humans at X. How close is it to being better than humans at being a content creator itself? Or how long before that threshold is crossed?

It will always be subjective. There will always be holdouts who will denounce any AI work as "bad" simply because it was created by AI. Even when AI is objectively better and dominates in blind ratings tests, there will still be a strong market for "authentic" media. For instance we already have factories that churn out wares that are cheaper, stronger, better looking, and longer lasting than "hand made", yet people…

I think the other angle is a deeper question of why are you reading/viewing/listening to any particular piece?

For some content, say summer blockbusters the answer may just be that it is moderately entertaining way to spend some time. I expect AI may well be able to do reasonably well in this category, although what we find entertaining may well shift if the supply/demand curve shifts drastically enough. In other words, people may still pay to see a new action film even if it hasn't anything particularly new to say.

Then there is the more cerebral kind of art. Where there is an actual message that someone is trying to communicate to us. It's a form of argument, but not purely logical, but also aesthetical. I'm completely unconvinced that present day AI architectures will ever have something to say, purely because they lack agency, and so there isn't anyone there saying it to us.

Finally, there is the art that is entirely spiritual or internal. The whole point of that kind is the author baring their soul to us. Why on earth would anyone want a soulless machine barring their non-existent soul?

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Whisk itself ( https://labs.google/fx/tools/whisk ) was released a few months ago under the radar as a demo for Imagen 3 and it's actually fun to play with and surprisingly robust given its particular implementation. It uses a prompt transmutation trick (convert the uploaded images into a textual description; can verify by viewing the description of the uploaded image) and the strength of Imagen 3's actually modern t…

Seems to require a paid subscription to actually use all the way thru.

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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post #4

I think I would buy "yes" shares in a Polymarket event that predicts a motion picture created by a single person grossing more than $100M by 2027.

Everyone keeps ignoring supply and demand when talking about the impacts of AI. Let's just assume it really gets so good you can do this and it doesn't suck. Yes the costs will get so low that there will be almost no barrier to making content but if there is no barrier to making content, the ROI will be massive, and so everyone will be doing it, you can more or less have the exact movie you want in your head on deman…

This. Having a super highly grossing movie makes no sense (maybe first one will just because people wanna see it for the novelty of it). The potential would be niche content that might even end up with movies tailored just to one person.
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