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Earth's clouds are shrinking, boosting global warming

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Re: Earth's clouds are shrinking, boosting global warming

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Earth gets over 170,000 terawatts of solar energy every day—10,000 times more than humanity uses. Losing just a fraction of our cloud cover means a massive, invisible throttle is coming off the climate system. If this trend holds, we’re not just warming—we’re stepping on the gas.

terawatt is not an energy unit.

If you read it like "Earth gets over 170,000 terawatts of solar energy- all day, every day" then it works.

Re: Earth's clouds are shrinking, boosting global warming

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What technology specifically has caused the clouds to shrink?

Anything that facilitates or requires extracting carbon from the ground: Coal plants, petrol engines, cars, airplanes, mass production, modern agriculture processes. The only way to stop global warming is to stop extracting carbon from the ground, where it's stored. After that we can think about capturing carbon. But first if all we need to stop pumping it into the atmosphere at a faster rate than the earth can absor…

Sorry, but did you read the question or the article at all?

Re: Earth's clouds are shrinking, boosting global warming

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Yes. You should listen to apocalyptic omens only from scientists.

If one particular ideology happens to be consistently agreeing or disagreeing with the scientists, then you should take that pattern into account when it comes to choosing who should deal with the consequences. Those are matters of opinion, albeit informed by the facts. The fact remain independent of ideology, and any claim that they are the result of an epically vast conspiracy of scientists should require an extremely high standard of evidence.

Re: Earth's clouds are shrinking, boosting global warming

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Oh dear, that does not sound very promising. Seems like the simulation results mentioned in this article might not be so outlandish, and rather a relevant potential worst-case scenario projection: https://www.quantamagazine.org/cloud-loss-could-add-8-degree...

We are going to need geoengineering solutions to manage solar radiation, and we are going to need to deploy them relatively soon. I don’t know if this will undo the cloud effects, but there’s no more time for screwing around.

And yet screwing around is exactly what is going to happen. We've just guaranteed four years of exacerbating the problem from one of the major greenhouse gas producers.

I'm not a fan of geoengineering, which I see as "screwing around" because we don't know nearly enough to predict its effects. Nonetheless, we may well reach a point where it cannot make things worse, and that point just became even more likely.

Re: Earth's clouds are shrinking, boosting global warming

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Anything that facilitates or requires extracting carbon from the ground: Coal plants, petrol engines, cars, airplanes, mass production, modern agriculture processes. The only way to stop global warming is to stop extracting carbon from the ground, where it's stored. After that we can think about capturing carbon. But first if all we need to stop pumping it into the atmosphere at a faster rate than the earth can absor…

Sorry, but did you read the question or the article at all?

Yes, what do you mean? The biggest climate effect at the moment is human carbon use, which is changing weather patterns, and the cause of the cloud shrinkage is changing weather patterns => cloud shrinkage is driven, to some degree (I would guess strongly, but let's be careful, so some degree) by human carbon extraction.

Re: Earth's clouds are shrinking, boosting global warming

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How come you sometimes see very dark, lonely clouds in blue skies?

Your relative position to the sun and the cloud.

I am not convinced. This would mean it could only be "blocking" the sun. If anything, it would be atmospheric light reflections blocked. In any case, it's not "other clouds".

I think diffraction has to play a role. Why wouldn't it? Dense, or raining clouds certainly have different water droplet sizes and shapes than fine, fluffy clouds. They may even reflect the ground or sky at some point, I imagine, like the ocean.

Re: Earth's clouds are shrinking, boosting global warming

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We could solve this problem in a few years with technology if we really wanted to.

I'm not disagreeing, but we don't even need technology, all we need is the political will to truly stop subsidising fossil-based energy. In the just over a minute it took me to read your comment and write this reply, the fossil industry received _another_ USD 14 Million: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/06/fossil-f...

If we immediately stopped all CO2 and methane emissions, the problem wouldn't be solved. There's still more warming that's going to happen as a result of the past emissions.

Re: Earth's clouds are shrinking, boosting global warming

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Clouds are all the same color. The darkness we see is the shadows from other clouds.

No, darkness comes from density. The denser the cloud (the more water it contains), the less light can come through, thus it looks darker.

Even very dense rain clouds look perfectly white from above. They all reflect light back into space.

Re: Earth's clouds are shrinking, boosting global warming

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I'm not disagreeing, but we don't even need technology, all we need is the political will to truly stop subsidising fossil-based energy. In the just over a minute it took me to read your comment and write this reply, the fossil industry received _another_ USD 14 Million: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/06/fossil-f...

If we immediately stopped all CO2 and methane emissions, the problem wouldn't be solved. There's still more warming that's going to happen as a result of the past emissions.

True. The warming we see today is from emissions years ago. The inertia is real.

But even if we would spend only the explicit subsidies we would have a trillion dollar each and every year to spend on things like carbon capture and other mitigations which are not dangerous large-scale geoengineering projects like cloud seeding.

Re: Earth's clouds are shrinking, boosting global warming

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I think a clearer example would be saying a car runs 20KM/H every day.

On the other hand batteries energy capacity is commonly rated in Watt hour. Watt*day is a perfectly cromulent energy statement although a bit misleading.

Watt*day is weird, but at least unit of energy. Watts a day is not.

Really common mistake in general to use kWh as a kW. Watthour is unit of energy. As watt is energy by time period. So you get back to units of energy.

Technically watt/day could be change in power consumption.

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