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Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by thijson »

Roritharr wrote: post #9

What Kagi or anyone could work on, is an actually working version of YouTube Kids. I literally Pi-Hole Blocked all of YouTube after my son started reading the Bible after a Minecraft Influencer started preaching throughout most of his videos to the point my son became a bit too much interested in the topic. Not that I'm a rabid atheist or would deny my child such a thing, but if THAT can enter my 8yr olds brain via h…

My son watches this YouTuber, it's Eystreem. My guess is that he uses the Bible as a prop to add drama to his videos. Another video he was marketing Prime energy drinks. Maybe I should download a whole bunch of 80's TV shows line A-team or Macyver, and only have that available to watch

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by carlosjobim »

Capricorn2481 wrote: post #107
carlosjobim wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Abraham being super willing to murder his son to make God happy. Sacrificing your own children is a human behaviour so common through history and with different cultures, that it's basically a biological instinct. Even today parents send their sons to die in industrialized war to prove their faith for the government, as well as sacrifice their children in ways that are less explicit than that - always to prove thei…

> The story of Abraham is a way to break that spell That's an extremely generous interpretation. You say the story is about breaking the cycle of pernicious child sacrifice. But there's nothing in the story that supports that view, you just said it because it's the most palatable interpretation of a straightforward story: Obey God, and he may give you mercy (not having to kill your kid). And you conveniently ignore M…

We are on such a different level of understanding, that there isn't any point in us two talking to each other – about anything. Feel free to take that as a compliment.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by ninkendo »

philips wrote: post #84
Roritharr wrote: post #9

What Kagi or anyone could work on, is an actually working version of YouTube Kids. I literally Pi-Hole Blocked all of YouTube after my son started reading the Bible after a Minecraft Influencer started preaching throughout most of his videos to the point my son became a bit too much interested in the topic. Not that I'm a rabid atheist or would deny my child such a thing, but if THAT can enter my 8yr olds brain via h…

What is wrong with YouTube Kids? I think it works fairly well and use it in my own home: https://abparenting.substack.com/p/effective-youtube-kids

To add to this, YouTube Kids is an entirely different beast altogether depending on if it’s on a touch screen your kid can control, vs on a TV where you have the remote.

I feel a lot of people talk terribly about YouTube Kids because they’re imagining you just hand them a tablet with the app, let them pick what they want to watch, and walk away. And then the kid finds some super suspect videos and gets brainwashed or something.

But here I am letting my 2 and 4 year olds watch Miss Rachel and Super Simple Songs and Big Block Singsong and the occasional Elmo’s World on the TV, while I’m in the room, and people on this forum would call me a monster for doing this… it’s really wild.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by jordanmorgan10 »

mattmanser wrote: post #80
jordanmorgan10 wrote: post #75

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Yup - our kids use it and it’s the only “YouTube” kinda thing that’s worked for our family.

I had a look, and it seemed to be just their content? I thought the GP meant an app with a range of content.

They have their stuff and, I’m not sure how to word it, but like affiliated channels or other channels within their “network” - such Ryan Trayhan (my spelling is off there)

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by prawn »

viraptor wrote: post #6

> to ensure children are not exposed to harmful content. Strong claim. I like the idea, but wish they were more realistic about what they can provide. If you ever get a Reddit result you're likely one click away from harmful content. That said, I like the lenses applied in this case. It may be the best we can get today in terms of search filtering.

Or they head to Wikipedia, search for "fish" and end up on the Albert Fish page.

I think aiming for better rather than perfect is the best option, as you said. As long as it's framed in this way, and not as an ideal option to let your impressionable child loose on the internet.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by carlosjobim »

tombert wrote: post #110
carlosjobim wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Abraham being super willing to murder his son to make God happy. Sacrificing your own children is a human behaviour so common through history and with different cultures, that it's basically a biological instinct. Even today parents send their sons to die in industrialized war to prove their faith for the government, as well as sacrifice their children in ways that are less explicit than that - always to prove thei…

He's considered a moral and good character purely because he was fully willing to sacrifice his child. Even if God did stop it at the last second, we're supposed to think that the morally correct thing to do was to listen to God and murder his child. I don't know that I agree with your take, I don't think it's meant to be interpreted as a limit to sacrifice. If that's what you got out of it, that's good, I don't thin…

Okay, let's say it's just a stupid story about a stupid idiot who didn't even know how to SSH into Arch Linux, and just walked around hallucinating all the time. What made his story so special that it was told and remembered for thousands of years by real people with real lives to worry about?

> I don't think you should sacrifice humans

And why not? In a different time and a different place that would have been the normal, decent and rational thing to do, and if you didn't then people would look very strangely at you.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by tombert »

carlosjobim wrote: post #116
tombert wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's considered a moral and good character purely because he was fully willing to sacrifice his child. Even if God did stop it at the last second, we're supposed to think that the morally correct thing to do was to listen to God and murder his child. I don't know that I agree with your take, I don't think it's meant to be interpreted as a limit to sacrifice. If that's what you got out of it, that's good, I don't thin…

Okay, let's say it's just a stupid story about a stupid idiot who didn't even know how to SSH into Arch Linux, and just walked around hallucinating all the time. What made his story so special that it was told and remembered for thousands of years by real people with real lives to worry about? > I don't think you should sacrifice humans And why not? In a different time and a different place that would have been the n…

> What made his story so special that it was told and remembered for thousands of years by real people with real lives to worry about?

I don't know. Maybe a lot of people agree with the message of "always listen to God and things will work out". That doesn't mean it's good morality, or a good way to live your life. While there's certainly selection bias in good stories surviving the test of time, I don't think it's 100% given that an old story is inherently good.

If you found meaning in the story, that's great. I just don't know that meaning was the authors' intent. That might not matter to you, that's fine, but I simply did not get the message of "Abraham + Isaac is actually a limitation on sacrifice".

> And why not? In a different time and a different place that would have been the normal, decent and rational thing to do, and if you didn't then people would look very strangely at you.

I can't know what it's like to have lived thousands of years ago, so I can only answer from someone in the late 20th and early 21st century. The reason I think you shouldn't sacrifice humans now is because I value human life, and that I think it would be wrong to deprive that person of life to appease a God that I do not think exists. There are times where ending a life might be justified, like physician assisted suicide, or self defense, and probably a few other cases, but none of those reasons are to appease a god.

I don't pretend that I have any kind of objective morality on this, I'm not even sure if I believe in objective morality as a concept,

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by card_zero »

carlosjobim wrote: post #112
Capricorn2481 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The story of Abraham is a way to break that spell That's an extremely generous interpretation. You say the story is about breaking the cycle of pernicious child sacrifice. But there's nothing in the story that supports that view, you just said it because it's the most palatable interpretation of a straightforward story: Obey God, and he may give you mercy (not having to kill your kid). And you conveniently ignore M…

We are on such a different level of understanding, that there isn't any point in us two talking to each other – about anything. Feel free to take that as a compliment.

It's been a long time since I read The Myth of the Framework, but I think the concept of "talking past each other" is wrong. On the other hand I often feel this kind of fatigue and don't want to get involved in debates. It probably isn't really about incompatible "level of understanding" (or "frameworks" as in the title), but something else.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by Cyph0n »

philips wrote: post #95
bombcar wrote: post #76

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Jellyfin + ytdlp + playlists = pretty good, in general. and avoids ads; the ads are worse than almost anything else you can find.

Do you have any automation on ytdlp and Jellyfin? I built this with Jellyfin and Home Assistant for my kids: https://github.com/philips/homeassistant-nfc-chromecast

Two options: Pinchflat (recommended) and TubeSync.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by BOOSTERHIDROGEN »

ninkendo wrote: post #113
philips wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is wrong with YouTube Kids? I think it works fairly well and use it in my own home: https://abparenting.substack.com/p/effective-youtube-kids

To add to this, YouTube Kids is an entirely different beast altogether depending on if it’s on a touch screen your kid can control, vs on a TV where you have the remote. I feel a lot of people talk terribly about YouTube Kids because they’re imagining you just hand them a tablet with the app, let them pick what they want to watch, and walk away. And then the kid finds some super suspect videos and gets brainwashed or…

This is not a new development; HN has been discussing this issue since it became apparent that the content did not meet the expected standards. The situation changed when Google made an effort to implement a whitelist channel feature.
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