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Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by Gud »

observationist wrote: post #104
Etheryte wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure how there's any ambiguity to this? We're talking about the EU here. The same laws that enable you to do business across borders without having a legal presence in every country also outline how to deal with issues like these.

They need to say "fuck off, then, enjoy EuropeNet" and ignore their demands. There should be zero ambiguity and zero compliance. The internet doesn't work if arbitrary restrictions on speech get imposed. You cannot give a single goddamn inch or they will claw miles away, insidiously inserting their ever growing list of forbidden things.

Child porn? Drug markets?

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by jrflowers »

Gud wrote: post #111
observationist wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They need to say "fuck off, then, enjoy EuropeNet" and ignore their demands. There should be zero ambiguity and zero compliance. The internet doesn't work if arbitrary restrictions on speech get imposed. You cannot give a single goddamn inch or they will claw miles away, insidiously inserting their ever growing list of forbidden things.

Child porn? Drug markets?

Neither of those things are addressed by DNS poisoning

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by mikrotikker »

Gud wrote: post #111
observationist wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They need to say "fuck off, then, enjoy EuropeNet" and ignore their demands. There should be zero ambiguity and zero compliance. The internet doesn't work if arbitrary restrictions on speech get imposed. You cannot give a single goddamn inch or they will claw miles away, insidiously inserting their ever growing list of forbidden things.

Child porn? Drug markets?

Classic "what about the children" fallacy

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by mikrotikker »

realusername wrote: post #85
golergka wrote: post #82

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> TikTok is going to be banned because it is destroying US social networks business Didn't Europe ban Russia Today and other Russian state sponsored media?

Those never were real media though and they didn't even pretend anymore. Officially it was banned as a part of the economic sanctions but being a part of their war machine would have been enough of a reason by itself.

And what do you think tik tok is? It's a similar service exerting propaganda on the populace at china's algorithmic control.

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by mikrotikker »

realusername wrote: post #87
LeroyRaz wrote: post #78

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TikTok is a legitimate national security concern.

In the EU, I'd rank it a lower national security threat than Twitter or Facebook, by far. And seeing what's going on in the US now, I'd maybe have the same analysis for the US.

But it is a threat and all of those threats should be dealt with .

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by mikrotikker »

sneak wrote: post #94
LeroyRaz wrote: post #78

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TikTok is a legitimate national security concern.

So is Facebook and Instagram. We’re only talking about banning the foreign one. Also, by that logic, all publishing is potentially a “national security concern”.

Banning /foreign/ influence and propaganda? Why would a country want to do that I wonder?

We should bring back RT while we're at it then eh?

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by realusername »

mikrotikker wrote: post #114
realusername wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those never were real media though and they didn't even pretend anymore. Officially it was banned as a part of the economic sanctions but being a part of their war machine would have been enough of a reason by itself.

And what do you think tik tok is? It's a similar service exerting propaganda on the populace at china's algorithmic control.

For now the Russian media and Twitter have worse influence on democracy than Tiktok ever did.

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by realusername »

mikrotikker wrote: post #115
realusername wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the EU, I'd rank it a lower national security threat than Twitter or Facebook, by far. And seeing what's going on in the US now, I'd maybe have the same analysis for the US.

But it is a threat and all of those threats should be dealt with .

All threats aren't equal. I'm more afraid of Twitter and Facebook, where there's tons of official government presence.

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by wruza »

awesome_dude wrote: post #67
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #49

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CF blocking a whole country like this would be interesting... basically half the internet would stop working, probably a bunch of italian government stuff too, and people would hopefully blame the government, because i'm pretty sure there are almost zero italian voters who wanted this from their representatives. Sadly, companies bow down instead of just risk it once.

> basically > probably > bunch > hopefully > pretty sure > almost

What are you trying to say?

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by wruza »

nine_k wrote: post #103
bakugo wrote: post #23

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> How is this greedy? It's clearly illegal behavior, both from illegal re-broadcasters and from users. Most of those re-broadcast services aren't even free either, they're directly making money from the broadcasts they're replicating. Because piracy is a service problem. Pirate streaming sites attract users because they provide a better, more convenient service than the paid options. We've recently seen this happen i…

From the revenue extraction POV, the optimum price is such that user is unhappy to pay it, but is still paying, while raising the price even by a small amount would convince the user to cancel the service. This means that the companies are constantly testing this edge, and check whether too many subscribers start to fall off the edge when the price rises.

When being a douchebag becomes a proper economic principle.
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