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Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Post by happytoexplain »

boznz wrote: post #18

Might effect new buyers decisions I guess, but since about 99% of Tesla's were sold to green, left-leaning buyers, before the Elon hate-fest, I am not sure how targeting that group of people for your hatred is helping any "cause".

Protests and ethics and capitalism and products and politics are more complicated than that. If collateral damage or somehow hurting anybody in "your" half of The Two Groups (which is a faulty premise to begin with) is ruled out, you're wiping out nearly all opinions and protest. Things just aren't that simple (though it's convenient to pretend they are when it lets us point a finger at the enemy out-group - look at their hypocrisy/in-fighting!)

That is not to say the opposite - that I think all anti-Tesla hatred/actions are justified. I'm just refuting your opinion specifically.

I have a lot of thoughts that run in both directions on topics like this, including this one. However, this specific case is especially far gone, in terms of drawing lines between "understandable" and "unreasonable" on any given anti-Tesla action/opinion, simply because of the fact that he and some of his supporters invoke Nazism. If it wasn't for that, I could more confidently say something like, "No, that one is over the line" for any given anti-Tesla thing. But I can't.

Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Post by thiht »

sadteslaowner wrote: post #110

I have a financed Tesla that hasn't driven enough miles to offset the embodied carbon (we're a one car family who walks wherever we can). I'd love to get rid of it because as I'm mad about Musk and Trump, and I'm really afraid someone will protest while my 2 year old is in the car, putting him at risk. If I sell— and it's a terrible financial decision (laid off in the fall)—I will assuage some of my fears and worries…

Just buy one of these "I bought this before we knew Elon was a piece of shit" stickers

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Post by mezeek »

drooby wrote: post #30
boznz wrote: post #18

Might effect new buyers decisions I guess, but since about 99% of Tesla's were sold to green, left-leaning buyers, before the Elon hate-fest, I am not sure how targeting that group of people for your hatred is helping any "cause".

The whole point is new buyers.. People are protesting Musk. Something like 75% of Musk's current wealth comes from Tesla stock. Tesla stock is going down.. so it is helping the cause

He's got less than 20% of Tesla now, but he owns nearly half of SpaceX... bet you he'd be so so sooooooooo much richer if that went public too

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Post by happytoexplain »

mathgeek wrote: post #40
spiderfarmer wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, you should do politics without promoting nazism and white supremacy on the platform that you solely bought to be able to do so.

Did you mean to respond to another comment? You’re in the thread about vandalizing left-leaning Tesla owners.

It's obviously being offered as justification for the anti-Tesla behavior (using the context of the GP in a tongue-in-cheek way). You may reasonably disagree, but the message wasn't unclear.

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Post by outer_web »

pessimizer wrote: post #39

Completely normal country. First they consume from and subsidize this guy into the richest guy in the world, now they're vandalizing each other's cars. I wonder if it's weird to be vandalizing somebody's car for being the same luxury brand as the car you sold last week. Does it feel revolutionary? Resistance libs are basically Carlists now.

"I saw you listening to Kanye in 2005 and now you don't like him, what a hypocrite!"

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Post by peppers-ghost »

dgfitz wrote: post #70
TheAlchemist wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the funny thing here. In case of Musk, if those protests work and as you say 'the jig is up', he can go from the richest man on earth to bankrupt in a space of months. He is very 'cash poor' and has pledged a lot of Tesla shares as collateral to fund his other businesses. If Tesla is priced as an automaker (shares would be in the ±10-20$), Musk will be bankrupt.

> Musk will be bankrupt. Then what? “We win” somehow? Nailed it? Who cares?

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Post by pornel »

assimpleaspossi wrote: post #45

The Tesla, last I read about and test drove one, is a great car. Why tear at a company that makes a great car over anyone's political preferences? The phrase "shooting oneself in the foot" comes to mind. It makes no sense whatsoever.

The car isn't the problem, but it's tied to an incredibly overvalued stock, which in turn made it possible for Musk to buy massive influence and political power, and wield it irresponsible self-serving ways.

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Post by cosmicgadget »

milesrout wrote: post #93
kerkeslager wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because some of us don't want our money to go to Nazism. That's not crazy, it's basic ethical behavior.

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Let me offer something between your sarcasm and 'Nazi': he retweeted Holocaust denialism (specifically, doubting the fatality numbers).

Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Post by mrangle »

EnergyAmy wrote: post #105
qwerpy wrote: post #99

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Having political viewpoints is fine. Protesting at their showrooms is fine. Making purchasing decisions for yourself based on your political viewpoints, also fine. Punishing people (vandalism, scrawling Nazi symbols, hostile/threatening interactions on the road) for owning a brand of car and not sharing your viewpoints is not fine.

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Because it's terrorism.
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