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Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by jampekka »

rrr_oh_man wrote: post #38
tonyhart7 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You cant compare switzerland to china or russia lol its more like EU is 10, switzerland is 11 or 12

Then compare it to Singapore.

Some comparisons: Singapore is a de-facto single party state with widespread government censorship, heavily limited civil rights, government/ruling party controlled media and heavy ethnic discrimination. Switzerland OTOH is almost a model country for such metrics.

https://freedomhouse.org/country/singapore/freedom-world/202...

https://freedomhouse.org/country/switzerland/freedom-world/2...

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aetherspawn wrote: post #62

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Post by CER10TY »

teekert wrote: post #7

I find the Proton tools to be a joy to use and I use them for my business. For clients, I can't do that to them. Microsoft completely dominates and people just expect to be able to video call, chat, work on docs, etc. MS365 remains incredible value for money and pretty optimal for normies.

Would you recommend moving from Google Workspace to Proton? Including emails and so on.

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Post by wkat4242 »

systemf_omega wrote: post #42

Privacy rights in the EU are being eroded as we speak. Unless people there get off their high horse, they'll succumb to the same level of authoritarianism and surveillance as in the states. Also, sorry, but the idea that EU countries are in any position to build a serious hyperscaler is pure fiction. Growth, funding, risk, innovation - those are alien concepts to European entrepreneurs.

> Unless people there get off their high horse, they'll succumb to the same level of authoritarianism and surveillance as in the states.

We are very far away from the status quo in the US. Some countries are overtaken by extreme right, which is worrying. But it's nothing like the US where the entire country went to shit overnight.

Also, we don't have this singular president entity which has so much power that everything can be turned upside down in just one election. We have a president but she has very little power and influence compared to the way it is in the US.

Also, our multi-party system prevents the two-party zero-sum setup that is present in the US where parties go to ever extreme methods to make the other side look bad (because a lose for one is a win for the other). For us it doesn't work that way.

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Post by systemf_omega »

leftcenterright wrote: post #65
systemf_omega wrote: post #42

Privacy rights in the EU are being eroded as we speak. Unless people there get off their high horse, they'll succumb to the same level of authoritarianism and surveillance as in the states. Also, sorry, but the idea that EU countries are in any position to build a serious hyperscaler is pure fiction. Growth, funding, risk, innovation - those are alien concepts to European entrepreneurs.

counterpoint: not everyone needs a hyperscaler. Especially with open source like Kubernetes out there. Of course the more experience companies have managing it, better the service becomes. But I don't see why it can't happen within EU.

K8s is an orchestration tool. You still need someone managing the physical hardware, and do it realiably at scale. That's what a hyperscaler does.

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Post by m00dy »

leftcenterright wrote: post #65
systemf_omega wrote: post #42

Privacy rights in the EU are being eroded as we speak. Unless people there get off their high horse, they'll succumb to the same level of authoritarianism and surveillance as in the states. Also, sorry, but the idea that EU countries are in any position to build a serious hyperscaler is pure fiction. Growth, funding, risk, innovation - those are alien concepts to European entrepreneurs.

counterpoint: not everyone needs a hyperscaler. Especially with open source like Kubernetes out there. Of course the more experience companies have managing it, better the service becomes. But I don't see why it can't happen within EU.

dude, EU is home for around 500 million people. (correct me if I'm wrong). EU definitely needs a hyperscaler. Every single one of these people will need a digital identity along with their compute rights.

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Post by iLoveOncall »

system2 wrote: post #33
Dzidas wrote: post #29

The biggest elephants in the room are cloud providers, but I didn't find an easy alternative yet (hetzner, ovhcloud). ATM, the idea to the business is sold, that data resides somewhere near by in a datacenter, EU proximity. However, the EU businesses are realising that, well, whole region is at a mercy of one person.

OVH and Hetzner are excellent companies. I doubt there would be any problem with them in the future.

OVH is an absolute joke.

People are really quick to forget the fire that destroyed one of their data centers a few years ago and which did not get addressed in any way by OVH for months.

They also learned nothing from it, and are repeating the exact same mistakes.

I stopped hosting even my personal blog on OVH because of how garbage it is.

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Post by timeon »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #39
m00dy wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, let’s divide it into before and after the Trump era. Will we see the same trend once the new sheriff in town steps down for peace?

Bold of you to assume that the new sheriff in town (or any successors) will ever step down.

From perspective outside of US it is not that relevant (in this context) if there is change after this. Because as we have seen in 2016 and now - there is no stability.

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Post by wkat4242 »

nickslaughter02 wrote: post #88
systemf_omega wrote: post #42

Privacy rights in the EU are being eroded as we speak. Unless people there get off their high horse, they'll succumb to the same level of authoritarianism and surveillance as in the states. Also, sorry, but the idea that EU countries are in any position to build a serious hyperscaler is pure fiction. Growth, funding, risk, innovation - those are alien concepts to European entrepreneurs.

> Privacy rights in the EU are being eroded as we speak. Unless people there get off their high horse, they'll succumb to the same level of authoritarianism and surveillance as in the states. Last time I checked not even the US is proposing to install AI agents on everybody's phone to surveil your encrypted messages (look up chat control, last meeting not even 2 months ago). Soon people will start looking for non-EU…

Yes ChatControl is a worry indeed. But we have been successfully fighting it for a long time. And it is only pushed by a small number of politicians.

Surprisingly enough the drive to do this does not come from within Europe but from the US (Ashton Kutcher and "Thorn"). They have managed to pocket some influential politicians.

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