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Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by theK »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #72
theK wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am inclined to agree with you but I do have a bit of nuance to add. Pretty sure this is not going to be a popular opinion but I think the second POV you present is apt but dependant on hierarchy level as well as each individual's drive to succeed. From my understanding that incident happened while she was in a directorial position, not some IC level. At that level one has to constantly actively balance private life…

On the other hand, if you are that far in, that you are "flirting with the C suite", it is almost impossible not to have knowledge about you having joined a data gobbling sect/mafia, that will eat you up alive, if you upset them. So while she should have been aware that she makes her own decisions, she might also have been aware of what happens, if she does.

> while she should have been aware that she makes her own decisions, she might also have been aware of what happens, if she does.

I don't understand. In my world view, owning your decisions includes understanding the paths those decisions might lead to and finding your ~piece~peace with that.

EDIT: s/piece/peace/

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by sanitycheck »

HenryBemis wrote: post #51
linotype wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s easy to delete your account though. They may still track you, but you’re not feeding the attention machine.

It won't 'protect' you. They still track you and have a shadow account for you, and sell the data. FB is a cancer that won't go away until we/you do. You can protect yourself by blocking all 'social media buttons' (as LI or Pinterest do the same), and for FB block every domain they use and their range of IPs. But there are so many trackers that will (eventually) get the 'job' done, so you either do 'more' (replace ho…

I do all that, and don't use any Facebook products. It's not so hard, and has the benefit (to some) of never being invited to a WhatsApp group.

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by -__---____-ZXyw »

Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard

Zuck: Just ask.

Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?

Zuck: People just submitted it.

Zuck: I don't know why.

Zuck: They "trust me"

Zuck: Dumb fucks.

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by skyyler »

alex1138 wrote: post #60
dep_b wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is probably true if you look at all big tech companies, but before Windows, MacOS, Oracle Databases or IBM computers did not have the responsibility of dealing with the communication and shaping of world view of billions of people world wide. It's the same as owning a large share of news papers or TV channels. You own the public discourse. If Larry Ellison is a greedy immoral bastard I switch to MS SQL Server, o…

I know your comment isn't about Elon specifically and I have my own reservations about some of what he does, but it's important to point out (and maybe this depends on what you call "misinformation", it shapes all future discussion) that Twitter absolutely was censoring for partisan reasons (before he bought it; I know some have complained Musk does indeed ban his critics) including silencing covid dissent, real doct…

The censorship hasn’t reduced under Elon, who it’s directed at has changed.

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by latexr »

wisty wrote: post #45

> A Cautionary Tale of Power, Greed, and Lost Idealism Has anyone ever seen Facebbok as idealistic? As far as I can tell, they've always been basically Amazon (the borg that will win at all costs) but a little more trivial, cool and Web2.0, they were never the "don't be evil" Google, the idealistic Twitter, I can't think of many less ideal driven companies. Facebook beat MySpace IMO because it tricked people into usi…

> Has anyone ever seen Facebbok as idealistic?

That’s how Zuckerberg painted it, and no doubt there were people who bought it, at least internally. See the red book.

https://www.map.cv/blog/redbook

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by ubercore »

hermannj314 wrote: post #108
roywashere wrote: post #57

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> Good to have more people expose the greedy, dictatorial, detrimental shitshow that is single individuals having an outsized control over important technology. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Noone should be as big as Zuck, Musk, Altman, Bezos... People amassing more money than entire countries just should not happen. "Eat the rich"!

Tuvalu has a GDP of $70 million. Is that the line? It is a very small country.

You're trying pretty hard to miss the point here.

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by KaiserPro »

Can anyone answer this question, assuming its answerable:

if they signed a mutual non-disparagement agreement, and they are currently using that agreement to stop a publication, if meta goes and breaks that agreement, doesn't that nullify the contract?

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by milesrout »

blitzar wrote: post #46
kelnos wrote: post #13

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> My thinking is... can you put this 100% on Sandberg? I mean, I get that the culture is bad, but there's two in this game. Maybe... turn off your phone for a day when you're giving birth?! Sure, but you can look at this in one of two ways. One is the way you seem to be angling for, where we have an employee who is so disturbingly eager to please that she continues to do work at absurd times when no one should ever e…

If Sandberg was a man it would not have happened. Woman-on-Woman violence in the workplace has to stop, instead of trying to constantly take each other down they need to be better allies to other women. Especially true for those that aspire to be role models for successful women and write books about how to "Lean In".

It isn't violence. Stop this stupid hyperbole. Violence is a real term. Don't water it down.

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by alterom »

netsharc wrote: post #98
wisty wrote: post #45

> A Cautionary Tale of Power, Greed, and Lost Idealism Has anyone ever seen Facebbok as idealistic? As far as I can tell, they've always been basically Amazon (the borg that will win at all costs) but a little more trivial, cool and Web2.0, they were never the "don't be evil" Google, the idealistic Twitter, I can't think of many less ideal driven companies. Facebook beat MySpace IMO because it tricked people into usi…

> Facebook also had a tool that would let you give them your username and password for other sites, and would scrape contacts for you. I remember FB recommending me a contact, I thought "Why does that distinctive name sound familar?". I looked through my e-mails and I had sent a few emails back and forth with the person because of an eBay transaction. I know I never told FB to scrape my email account, but I'm guessin…

Facebook is routinely suggesting me contacts that I have met and interacted with offline, the only link to them being an entry in my phone book.

Which, I'm guessing, I allowed Messenger to have access to at some point.

Other than that, it's inference from GPS/location data, which Meta, as far as I know, didn't deny doing.

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by anal_reactor »

latexr wrote: post #115
wisty wrote: post #45

> A Cautionary Tale of Power, Greed, and Lost Idealism Has anyone ever seen Facebbok as idealistic? As far as I can tell, they've always been basically Amazon (the borg that will win at all costs) but a little more trivial, cool and Web2.0, they were never the "don't be evil" Google, the idealistic Twitter, I can't think of many less ideal driven companies. Facebook beat MySpace IMO because it tricked people into usi…

> Has anyone ever seen Facebbok as idealistic? That’s how Zuckerberg painted it, and no doubt there were people who bought it, at least internally. See the red book. https://www.map.cv/blog/redbook

The number of people who drank the kool-aid is astonishing. To the same tune, I think that if you tell people that politicians lie, majority of them will be deeply shocked, hurt, and offended.
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