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The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed"

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Re: The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed"

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Post by chasing »

wyager wrote: post #76
jghn wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when the majority of people who decided to vote voted for the person You're not wrong. However the portrayal of a mandate is a bit of a media fiction. He didn't have notably more votes than any other recent president.

But the people who did vote for him explicitly voted for all the stuff he's doing right now. Nothing that he's currently doing is surprising , except maybe for the fact that a politician actually followed through on so many campaign promises.

He repeatedly stated he knew nothing about Project 2025. So arguably he's not following through on his campaign promises. Some of his voters I'm sure saw through his bullshit, but many were conned.

It's a far stretch to say that this is what the majority of his voters wanted. Certainly many Republican voters have seemed very upset about this stupid blitzkrieg dismantling of core services.

Re: The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed"

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Post by PKop »

bongodongobob wrote: post #77
PKop wrote: post #48

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Bullshit. They are pathologizing the democratic result of the last election as well as promoting extremist rhetoric that ignores the fact people can vote if they don't agree, but it is not acceptable to claim a president and his administration can't operate within Constitutional rights to run the executive branch else "violence" is necessary and justified. No, the 2nd amendment does not codify terrorism because your…

This government doesn't represent any sane informed person with a rudimentary understanding of even just the last 50 years of geopolitics. The system is clearly broken. First past the post voting is mathematically stupid. When the system no longer serves the people, violence has been the solution for the entire history of humanity. You know who doesn't like violence and prefers sign holding? The people with the boot…

No I'm happy with this result, you're not. You want to put a boot on my throat. You're unhappy with the sudden change of a slight, probably temporary shift of America being run by popular will rather than elite consensus, unless elite consensus changes to align with the popular will (hopefully).

Liberal nation building in Iraq and Afghanistan was not sane. Continued escalation of Ukraine war was not sane. Mass immigration from 3rd world and open borders, mixed with subsidization of these groups with welfare and social spending while they commit more crimes and work less is not sane.

This anti democratic talk ("I don't like the outcome so the system has failed and must be burned down and my political opponents deserve violence against them") is the kind of thing that deserves a call to the FBI or Secret Service to be honest. No one likes violence against them, not just CEO's but even regular people voting for their interests like more than half of the country you're calling for violence against.

Re: The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed"

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Post by chasing »

bryant wrote: post #2

Practically speaking, when the majority of people who decided to vote voted for the person applying these policies, what mitigations are left? The courts are themselves slow and ultimately roll up to allies of the despot. People say that the midterms are crucial, but the midterms are only likely to be won if Democrats truly unify and apply winning strategies. Sadly the only winning strategies now seem to involve tell…

He's not a king, he's a public servant with a certain defined set of powers.

Doesn't matter how many people voted for him or why.

Re: The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed"

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Post by ivraatiems »

gedy wrote: post #66
ivraatiems wrote: post #16

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Frankly, I am not at all convinced any further elections in the US will be free or fair given who is currently in power and what they've openly said about elections and what they want to do to them. The only real functional way forward at this point is some form of mass protest or resistance, which I see as unlikely to occur (and which I am not necessarily advocating for here on HN). Barring that, the reality is that…

> The only real functional way forward at this point is some form of mass protest or resistance, Maybe, just maybe, the opposition party could quit offering these shit sandwich candidates as an alternative? I can't believe there's no Democrat politicians out there who could've beat Trump handily. But the DNC seems totally disfunctional in picking candidates.

Now you're living in real fantasyland!

Seriously, I agree with you, but I don't know how to solve that problem either. The DNC is just completely bereft of good ideas and at this point seems about as useless as the Mitt Romney-era Republican party was.

Re: The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed"

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Post by mullingitover »

bagels wrote: post #85
afavour wrote: post #45

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When did Trump pledge to destroy the NIH? He did also specficially disavow Project 2025 and is now enacting a whole bunch of it.

When he brought the person who wrote the forward to Project 2025 on as VP? How about when he nominated Russell Vought as Director of OMB in 2020?

Irrelevant. He disavowed it.

He might be a well known liar, and people might’ve been stupid to believe him when he disavowed Project 2025, but his campaign did not promise to enact these policies.

Re: The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed"

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Post by themisto »

llm_trw wrote: post #52
EdwardDiego wrote: post #22

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Or, reform your Presidency to be a constitutional role only, with executive power devolved to the party or parties of your elected representatives that is able to show the head of state that they have the numbers to govern. E.g. like the President of Ireland, or the King of England (via the Governor General proxy) in countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand. Also, the Electoral College is an archaic anachronism,…

What works for a country the size of a New York neighbourhood doesn't work for a country the size of a continent.

Which country are you referring to?

Re: The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed"

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Post by jghn »

wyager wrote: post #83
sitkack wrote: post #74

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More people voted against Trump than voted for. • 77,302,580 voted for this administration (49.8%) • 77,935,722 voted against this administration (50.2%) From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43191410

Out of curiosity, how many weeks/months of late vote counting did that take? At the time the election was called, and for at least a couple weeks after iirc, he was ahead.

Out of curiosity, why does this matter?

Re: The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed"

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Post by energy123 »

ivraatiems wrote: post #16
bryant wrote: post #2

Practically speaking, when the majority of people who decided to vote voted for the person applying these policies, what mitigations are left? The courts are themselves slow and ultimately roll up to allies of the despot. People say that the midterms are crucial, but the midterms are only likely to be won if Democrats truly unify and apply winning strategies. Sadly the only winning strategies now seem to involve tell…

Frankly, I am not at all convinced any further elections in the US will be free or fair given who is currently in power and what they've openly said about elections and what they want to do to them. The only real functional way forward at this point is some form of mass protest or resistance, which I see as unlikely to occur (and which I am not necessarily advocating for here on HN). Barring that, the reality is that…

Protest will happen only if inflation goes up.

We are in a techno-dystopia where control over attention bandwidth is the only thing that matters.

Re: The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed"

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Post by khuey »

wyager wrote: post #83
sitkack wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More people voted against Trump than voted for. • 77,302,580 voted for this administration (49.8%) • 77,935,722 voted against this administration (50.2%) From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43191410

Out of curiosity, how many weeks/months of late vote counting did that take? At the time the election was called, and for at least a couple weeks after iirc, he was ahead.

Why does it matter how long it took to count all the votes?

If you want to allege election fraud, don't beat around the bush.

Re: The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed"

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Post by chasing »

nielsbot wrote: post #13
bryant wrote: post #2

Practically speaking, when the majority of people who decided to vote voted for the person applying these policies, what mitigations are left? The courts are themselves slow and ultimately roll up to allies of the despot. People say that the midterms are crucial, but the midterms are only likely to be won if Democrats truly unify and apply winning strategies. Sadly the only winning strategies now seem to involve tell…

FWIW a lot of people didn't vote for this even if they voted for Trump and the GOP.

This is true. The GOP prey on gullible low-information voters.

He repeatedly denied knowledge of the Project 2025 plan that's now in action.

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