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“The closer to the train station, the worse the kebab” – a “study”

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Re: “The closer to the train station, the worse the kebab” – a “study”

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these examples are all exceptions. how much do the exceptions contribute to the discussion?

> how much do the exceptions contribute to the discussion? A fair amount, if the number of exceptions are such that the rule of thumb isn't useful.

Do you know what "rule of thumb" means? Did you think you were being helpful?

Re: “The closer to the train station, the worse the kebab” – a “study”

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They are not mutually exclusive. Counter examples: - Katz's deli in NYC is incredibly famous, in a great location, and actually has kickass pastrami. The trade-off are relatively high prices and lines down the block - restaurants with exclusive relationships. - restaurants that make money another way, e.g. gambling. - family owned restaurants with legacy rent deals. - restaurants that cater to niche audiences e.g. sm…

Comments of this quality are getting frustrating. The grand parent post clearly stated it is the poster's "rule of thumb". By definition they are aware that the rules are [likely] "not mutually exclusive". Starting with "these are not mutually exclusive", is what makes this comment so unnecessary. Don't be proud of having listed exceptions to someone's rule of thumb. Had you started with, "I like that; these are a fe…

Do you worship the posting guidelines or something? Are you that offended by someone adding information to a post? The forum is a public one, not a 1-1 conversation.

The poster added valuable information, that is interesting and not self-evidently obvious to the average person who doesn't think much about restaurants, that makes the forum more useful to others?

Re: “The closer to the train station, the worse the kebab” – a “study”

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post #102
post #42

Many years ago I came up with a rule of thumb. Restaurants have three basic strategies, be a known quantity (chain), have a good location, or be actually good. I've found some gems by looking for the third category. Given that "near the train" is a good location, that would support this theory.

My only rule is that restaurants in hotels are usually mediocre to bad, which fits with your theory. If they have some built-in customer base they don’t have to work as hard at being good.

It does vary. Some are more independent of the hotel than others. And the rule of thumb probably tends to be less true outside of the US.

Re: “The closer to the train station, the worse the kebab” – a “study”

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Comments of this quality are getting frustrating. The grand parent post clearly stated it is the poster's "rule of thumb". By definition they are aware that the rules are [likely] "not mutually exclusive". Starting with "these are not mutually exclusive", is what makes this comment so unnecessary. Don't be proud of having listed exceptions to someone's rule of thumb. Had you started with, "I like that; these are a fe…

"Getting"? HN has always been like this. Christ this website can be so full of insufferable pedantry. I don't know why people think that such comments are a good contribution.

N gate died far too soon...

Re: “The closer to the train station, the worse the kebab” – a “study”

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post #42

Many years ago I came up with a rule of thumb. Restaurants have three basic strategies, be a known quantity (chain), have a good location, or be actually good. I've found some gems by looking for the third category. Given that "near the train" is a good location, that would support this theory.

My rule of thumb: if it has the name of the country, i expect the food to be at best sub-par i.e "Great Indian" (gave me wild food poisoning). Second rule of thumb: if the milkshakes are good, the food will be good - almost never fails me.

There’s a bizarrely good place in Dublin called China Sichuan (double whammy; country _and_ region), located in, basically, a business park 20 minutes from the city centre in a tram. It has no business being any good; combo of name and suburban location should condemn it to mediocrity at absolute best.

(They’ve also clearly spent a lot on the decor, which, again, is normally not a great sign in a restaurant. And yet somehow it’s very good. Against the natural order of things.)

Re: “The closer to the train station, the worse the kebab” – a “study”

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TFA mentioned several ways in which Google reviews aren't an ideal tool here. Tossing out a couple more, you (1) don't have the same people giving reviews at each location, and (2) have a bias in those who choose to give reviews. As a point of anecdata about (1): Saturne in Paris (now closed) served some of the best food I've ever eaten, and it had lower ratings than a tourist-trap fish place on a pier near to where I live, even if you filter the reviews to only those describing the food.

I'd be interested in seeing the same analysis with other metrics of quality, like the proportion of negative reviews referencing food vs other things (or a wilson-scored version thereof).

Re: “The closer to the train station, the worse the kebab” – a “study”

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are not mutually exclusive. Counter examples: - Katz's deli in NYC is incredibly famous, in a great location, and actually has kickass pastrami. The trade-off are relatively high prices and lines down the block - restaurants with exclusive relationships. - restaurants that make money another way, e.g. gambling. - family owned restaurants with legacy rent deals. - restaurants that cater to niche audiences e.g. sm…

Comments of this quality are getting frustrating. The grand parent post clearly stated it is the poster's "rule of thumb". By definition they are aware that the rules are [likely] "not mutually exclusive". Starting with "these are not mutually exclusive", is what makes this comment so unnecessary. Don't be proud of having listed exceptions to someone's rule of thumb. Had you started with, "I like that; these are a fe…

For what it's worth, I interpreted GP's response as trying to build on the rules of thumb by adding some color in the edge cases, I didn't read it as any kind of a dig at the original proposition.

Re: “The closer to the train station, the worse the kebab” – a “study”

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My rule. Check TripAdvisor!

Is being well-rated on TripAdvisor a positive or negative signal? I could see it either way.

Given lack of other signals, my experience is that TripAdvisor or Yelp is probably better than "they have a cool name." I've been living out of a hotel because of a kitchen fire and, as someone who really wasn't in the habit of eating out around where I live, the recommendations have generally been decent--combines with a neighbor and personal knowledge.

Re: “The closer to the train station, the worse the kebab” – a “study”

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post #42

Many years ago I came up with a rule of thumb. Restaurants have three basic strategies, be a known quantity (chain), have a good location, or be actually good. I've found some gems by looking for the third category. Given that "near the train" is a good location, that would support this theory.

The formal terminology is “selection induced negative correlation”. If a quality score is the sum of two factors, those two factors will tend to be negatively correlated. Mathematically a trivial example is the equation 1=x+y, where 1 represents some cutoff and could be any value. Clearly x and y are inversely correlated.

Also a type of collider bias in causal inference, which generates all sorts of Simpsons paradoxes
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