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Re: Microsoft cancels leases for AI data centers, analyst says

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Post by ghaff »

djtango wrote: post #100
mattlondon wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why are these sort of orgs slow and useless? I don't think it is because they have made a conscious decision to do so - I think it is more than they do not have the resources to do anything else. They can't afford to hire in huge teams of engineers and product managers and researchers to modernize their systems. If suddenly the NHS had a team of "free" genuinely phd-level AGI engineers working 24/7 they'd make a…

IMO it comes from inertia. People at the top are not digital-native. And they're definitely not AI-native. So you're retrofitting a solution onto a legacy org. No one will have the will to go far enough fast enough. And if they didn't have the resources to engineer all these software migrations who will help them lead all these AI migrations? Are they going to go hands off the wheels? Who is going to debug the inevit…

And many of the users/consumers are not digital-native either. My dad is not going to go to a website to make appointments or otherwise interact with the healthcare system.

Re: Microsoft cancels leases for AI data centers, analyst says

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Post by QuadmasterXLII »

markus_zhang wrote: post #70
djtango wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even if there is fast takeoff AGI, he thinks human messiness will slow implementation Five years ago during covid all these clunky legacy businesses couldn't figure out a CSV let alone APIs but suddenly with AGI they are going to become tech masters and know how to automate and processize their entire operations? I found it very amusing that at the turn of the decade "digitalisation" was a buzzword as Amazon was ap…

In fact most of the industries out there are still slow and inefficient. Some physicians only accept phone calls for making appointments. Many primary schools only take phone calls and an email could go either way just not their way. It's just we programmers who want to automate everything.

“ only takes phone calls for appointments” is a huge selling point for a physicians office. People are very tired of apps.

Re: Microsoft cancels leases for AI data centers, analyst says

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Post by ghaff »

qwertox wrote: post #57
djtango wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even if there is fast takeoff AGI, he thinks human messiness will slow implementation Five years ago during covid all these clunky legacy businesses couldn't figure out a CSV let alone APIs but suddenly with AGI they are going to become tech masters and know how to automate and processize their entire operations? I found it very amusing that at the turn of the decade "digitalisation" was a buzzword as Amazon was ap…

> Meanwhile huge orgs like the NHS run on fax I thought this was a German-only thing?

The healthcare system I largely use in the US was bought up by another larger system. They are now primarily on an electronic system (which for me is welcome) but some of the offices still use faxes as well.

Re: Microsoft cancels leases for AI data centers, analyst says

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Post by jr-ai-interview »

It's sad, people are already recklessly rearranging business logic via AI in key medical software systems due to global outsourcing linguistic reasons.

I have so much intense hatred for pg and Sama right now I rarely come to this shit show of a site

Re: Microsoft cancels leases for AI data centers, analyst says

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Post by skydhash »

ta1243 wrote: post #80
geuis wrote: post #56

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All I hear is anecdotal statements from people claiming LLMs have made them some percent more productive. Yet few actually say how or demonstrate it. For the last year, I've tried all sorts of models both as hosted services and running locally with llama.cpp or ollama. I've used both the continue.dev vscode extension and cursor more recently. The results have been frustrating at best. The user interface of the tools…

> All I hear is anecdotal statements from people claiming LLMs have made them some percent more productive. Yet few actually say how or demonstrate it. It's very difficult to measure productivity of most people, certainly most people in office jobs, so while you can have a gut feeling that you're doing better, it's no more measurable than pre-AI individual productivity measurement was

It’s not really about objective measurements, but practical applications. Like try this in the following manner and compare it to your previous workflow. Sensible advices like the ones found in The Pragmatic Programmer.

Re: Microsoft cancels leases for AI data centers, analyst says

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Post by jr-ai-interview »

jr-ai-interview wrote: post #114

It's sad, people are already recklessly rearranging business logic via AI in key medical software systems due to global outsourcing linguistic reasons. I have so much intense hatred for pg and Sama right now I rarely come to this shit show of a site

Surely smart people exists, right?

Re: Microsoft cancels leases for AI data centers, analyst says

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Post by maigret »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #35
toomuchtodo wrote: post #24

Microsoft CEO Admits That AI Is Generating Basically No Value - https://futurism.com/microsoft-ceo-ai-generating-no-value Bit of a click bait title, but it certainly seems like the realization is setting in that the hype has exceeded near term realistic expectations and some are walking back claims (for whatever reason; honesty, derisking against investor securities suits, poor capital allocation, etc). Nadella appea…

Nadella is looking for the world to grow at 10% due to AI enhancement, like it did during the industrial revolution. That seems like a low bar because it already is- it's just not equally distributed yet. My own productivity has grown far more than 10% thanks to AI, and I don't just mean in terms of dev. It reads my bloodwork results, speeds up my ability to repair a leak in my toilet tank, writes a concise "no I won…

Who suddenly knows how to measure developer productivity? I thought this was impossible.

Re: Microsoft cancels leases for AI data centers, analyst says

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Post by petee »

bsenftner wrote: post #38
toomuchtodo wrote: post #24

Microsoft CEO Admits That AI Is Generating Basically No Value - https://futurism.com/microsoft-ceo-ai-generating-no-value Bit of a click bait title, but it certainly seems like the realization is setting in that the hype has exceeded near term realistic expectations and some are walking back claims (for whatever reason; honesty, derisking against investor securities suits, poor capital allocation, etc). Nadella appea…

The "elephant in the room" is that AI is good enough, it's revolutionary in fact, but the issue now is the user needs more education to actually realize AI's value. No amount of uber-duper AI can help an immature user population lacking in critical thinking, which in their short shortsightedness seek self destructive pastimes.

I spent more time yesterday trying to get "AI" to output runnable code, and retyping, than if I had just buckled down and done it myself.

But I don't think you can blame users if they're given an immature tool, when it really is on companies to give us a product that is obvious to use correctly.

Its not an exact analogy, but I always like to think of how doors are designed - if you have to put a sign on it, its a bad design. A well designed door requires zero thought, and as such, if "AI" usage is not obvious to 99% of the population, its probably a bad design.

Re: Microsoft cancels leases for AI data centers, analyst says

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Post by llm_trw »

geuis wrote: post #56
unsupp0rted wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nadella is looking for the world to grow at 10% due to AI enhancement, like it did during the industrial revolution. That seems like a low bar because it already is- it's just not equally distributed yet. My own productivity has grown far more than 10% thanks to AI, and I don't just mean in terms of dev. It reads my bloodwork results, speeds up my ability to repair a leak in my toilet tank, writes a concise "no I won…

All I hear is anecdotal statements from people claiming LLMs have made them some percent more productive. Yet few actually say how or demonstrate it. For the last year, I've tried all sorts of models both as hosted services and running locally with llama.cpp or ollama. I've used both the continue.dev vscode extension and cursor more recently. The results have been frustrating at best. The user interface of the tools…

I fixed the hinge in my oven by giving perplexity.com the make and problem. I saved an hour on the phone calling people to organise a visit some time in the next week.

Maybe you should stop using the Ai slop tools that don't work?

Re: Microsoft cancels leases for AI data centers, analyst says

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Post by tacomadome »

suraci wrote: post #54
unsupp0rted wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nadella is looking for the world to grow at 10% due to AI enhancement, like it did during the industrial revolution. That seems like a low bar because it already is- it's just not equally distributed yet. My own productivity has grown far more than 10% thanks to AI, and I don't just mean in terms of dev. It reads my bloodwork results, speeds up my ability to repair a leak in my toilet tank, writes a concise "no I won…

I think the 'grow at 10%' refers to the incremental part of the entire world/market. during the industrial revolution(steam/electricity/internet), the world was growing, there're trains, cars, netflix bussiness grown with productivity growing, even so, we lived through 2 world wars and dozens of economic crisis but now is very different, when you repair the tank with LLM's help, when the labour value of repairers is…

You’re describing exactly what happened during both the Industrial Revolution and the advent of computer automation.

Prior to computerization and databases, millions of people were required for filing, typing, and physically transporting messages and information. All of those jobs, entire fields of work were deleted by computerization.

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