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Re: Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees

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Post by robertlagrant »

llamaimperative wrote: post #109
robertlagrant wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is that? If I replace a team of 20 admin staff with 3 admin staff and Microsoft Office licences to replace a paper filing system with a digital one, haven't I raised productivity and lowered prices?

Productivity increases -> wages go up -> "30% of salary on rent" goes up -> rent goes up -> cost of everything goes up We could arrest pretty much all cost of living growth if all renters (both businesses and individuals) just decided not to continuously agree to pay higher prices for the same land/apartments/buildings.

> Productivity increases -> wages go up -> "30% of salary on rent" goes up -> rent goes up -> cost of everything goes up

Yes wages might go up (someone who can use Sharepoint[0] is probably more efficient than someone who can use a physical filing system) but you need far fewer people to do it. So costs can still go down.

> We could arrest pretty much all cost of living growth if all renters (both businesses and individuals) just decided not to continuously agree to pay higher prices for the same land/apartments/buildings.

I agree that most of cost of living is housing-related, but rent price increases are a function of population increasing faster than housing. That's the thing to address.

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Re: Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees

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Post by llamaimperative »

robertlagrant wrote: post #111
llamaimperative wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Productivity increases -> wages go up -> "30% of salary on rent" goes up -> rent goes up -> cost of everything goes up We could arrest pretty much all cost of living growth if all renters (both businesses and individuals) just decided not to continuously agree to pay higher prices for the same land/apartments/buildings.

> Productivity increases -> wages go up -> "30% of salary on rent" goes up -> rent goes up -> cost of everything goes up Yes wages might go up (someone who can use Sharepoint[0] is probably more efficient than someone who can use a physical filing system) but you need far fewer people to do it. So costs can still go down. > We could arrest pretty much all cost of living growth if all renters (both businesses and indi…

I didn't say the costs of individual items or services never go down, I said the "cost of living," i.e. broad-based growth in costs over long periods of time, goes up with productivity.

> I agree that most of cost of living is housing-related, but rent price increases are a function of population increasing faster than housing. That's the thing to address.

Yes we should build a whole lot more and it will slow residential price growth, but no, in general this will not actually reduce the cost of living. For example, this doesn't address the increased competition (i.e. increased prices) for commercial spaces, which gets baked into every coffee, garment, or meal you purchase.

Re: Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees

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Post by _t9ow »

jwarden wrote: post #110
daft_pink wrote: post #66

Probably an unpopular opinion, but defending Taiwan was always a bluff. Americans aren’t going to die en masse over some random island in the pacific. We will heavily sanction China and use economic tools, but we aren’t going to start World War 3 over some small island in the pacific.

Taiwan is not some small random island in the Pacific. It is a country of 23 million people, one of the best-functioning democracies in the world, and the only Mandarin-speaking democracy. It would be a tragic loss for the world if it were swallowed by the PRC. Is it important enough to start WWIII. That’s another question.

> Americans aren’t going to die en masse over some random island in the pacific

OP is saying that Taiwan is "some small random island" from the point of view of most Americans, its merits notwithstanding. And given everything the current Trump administration has done so far (which suggests that they view alliances, promises, and treaties in extremely transactional terms), it doesn't seem unfair or unreasonable to assume that they share this view too.

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Post by manbart »

jajko wrote: post #100
_t9ow wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Half the workers in the factory are brought in from Taiwan. Thus depriving Taiwan of its much-needed intellectual and human capital to sustain its Silicon Shield defence strategy. I frequently browse social media sites that are popular among the Taiwanese, and my impression is that they are generally unhappy about this state of affairs, seeing it as an act of economic coercion from the US.

> they are generally unhappy about this state of affairs, seeing it as an act of economic coercion from the US Welcome to how rest of the world feels like now

Don't worry, at the rate the US is squandering it's political, cultural and economic capitol, the rest of the world won't need to care what the US thinks in a few months.

Re: Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees

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Post by marcusverus »

kccoder wrote: post #74
insane_dreamer wrote: post #43

This one really doesn't make sense if you actually want to MAGA, since advanced chips is a critical area for the US to maintain leadership. China is meanwhile pouring many $billions into catching up. The Chinese can't believe their good luck. No need for them to do anything -- just let the US self-destruct.

> This one really doesn't make sense if you actually want to MAGA They don't. It was always a lie. The want to make their own lives great(er) at the expense of the rest of the human species. Way too many people were somehow conned by an expert conman who had previously conned them. Short memories and wishful thinking is a dangerous combo.

This mindset is the ultimate goal of all propagandists--complete and total ideological capture.

Once the propagandist has convinced their target of the other's inherent malevolence, the target will no longer seek to understand the perspective of the dreaded other. Their every statement will be viewed with suspicion.

They only say they want to make their country great, the tricky devils!

Re: Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees

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Post by robertlagrant »

llamaimperative wrote: post #112
robertlagrant wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Productivity increases -> wages go up -> "30% of salary on rent" goes up -> rent goes up -> cost of everything goes up Yes wages might go up (someone who can use Sharepoint[0] is probably more efficient than someone who can use a physical filing system) but you need far fewer people to do it. So costs can still go down. > We could arrest pretty much all cost of living growth if all renters (both businesses and indi…

I didn't say the costs of individual items or services never go down, I said the "cost of living," i.e. broad-based growth in costs over long periods of time, goes up with productivity. > I agree that most of cost of living is housing-related, but rent price increases are a function of population increasing faster than housing. That's the thing to address. Yes we should build a whole lot more and it will slow residen…

Okay, but coffee and meals are luxuries to purchase, not necessities. And it's extremely clear that the thing that's rocketed up in price, and delivered less and less over time, has been housing. We (e.g. here in the UK) now pay far more than our grandparents did for smaller dwellings. This is the main cost of living increase. And it's baked into all goods you buy far more than commercial rent, because every employee in the supply chain has to be able to afford to live.

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Post by ashoeafoot »

addicted wrote: post #87
hindsightbias wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are we subsizing Apple when they have $200B in cash laying around? Repatriate and give them sme tax credit.

Why would Apple repatriate their cash and pay any taxes? I don’t understand why they would care to move the money out of the countries where they earned that money and are likely to be expanding more than they are in the U.S. anyways.

Cause the us is no save haven for money and ownership anymore? Look at other autocracies where the dictators give and take the riches ala russia.In a oligarchy with king, you are one bad emperor day at court away from loosing it.

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Post by DrillShopper »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #44
deadbabe wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if we simply do not let China invade Taiwan?

So instead of spending _billions_ to support a domestic advanced chip design and production, we spend _trillions_ on a war with China?

But think of the profits of the defense contractors!/s

Re: Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees

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Post by techorange »

marcusverus wrote: post #115
kccoder wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This one really doesn't make sense if you actually want to MAGA They don't. It was always a lie. The want to make their own lives great(er) at the expense of the rest of the human species. Way too many people were somehow conned by an expert conman who had previously conned them. Short memories and wishful thinking is a dangerous combo.

This mindset is the ultimate goal of all propagandists--complete and total ideological capture. Once the propagandist has convinced their target of the other 's inherent malevolence, the target will no longer seek to understand the perspective of the dreaded other. Their every statement will be viewed with suspicion. They only say they want to make their country great, the tricky devils!

So this is true, and if I piece apart what you’re saying, it’s that you think that liberal propaganda has turned people away from MAGA, convincing liberals of Trump’s inherent malevolence.

But I have a different theory. I think that in this case, the propagandists are trying to convince the other of their own inherent malevolence.

Not to say liberal media doesn’t try to do this, but let’s be honest? Trump is a world’s better marketer than the folks at MSNBC.

And I think he thinks it is useful to be so extreme that it also creates that divisiveness. Like as objectively as I try to look at Trump, I think he intentionally obfuscates his intentions to increase divisiveness.

Re: Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees

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Post by CamperBob2 »

techorange wrote: post #119
marcusverus wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This mindset is the ultimate goal of all propagandists--complete and total ideological capture. Once the propagandist has convinced their target of the other 's inherent malevolence, the target will no longer seek to understand the perspective of the dreaded other. Their every statement will be viewed with suspicion. They only say they want to make their country great, the tricky devils!

So this is true, and if I piece apart what you’re saying, it’s that you think that liberal propaganda has turned people away from MAGA, convincing liberals of Trump’s inherent malevolence. But I have a different theory. I think that in this case, the propagandists are trying to convince the other of their own inherent malevolence. Not to say liberal media doesn’t try to do this, but let’s be honest? Trump is a world’…

Trump is a world’s better marketer than the folks at MSNBC.

No, stupid people are easier to herd. That's all there is to it.

Remember that Trump only turned to the Republican party after trying everything else first.

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