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Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by varjag »

hanshansen43 wrote: post #107
sunshine-o wrote: post #88

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What I am gonna say here is not a political point but I hope someone can point me the pattern (and some something to read about it) I have observed with for example the EU. Yes it sounds like a parody or an onion piece. We know the European search engine, cloud, blockchain never got anywhere. I don't even believe that anybody ever really tried. Now you have to put yourself in their head for 2 minutes and here is what…

As a European, the sad reality is that I see parallels with the late-stage Soviet Union and its satellite states. NOT when it comes to the level of violence and repression or quality of living. Those two things are world-class. But in the sense that there's a more or less unelected political establishment that's a) Recursive: It does things only to show them off to itself. b) Not exposed to real-world consequences. c…

As someone who grew up in late-stage Soviet Union nope. Not even close.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by simion314 »

mmaunder wrote: post #67
simion314 wrote: post #35

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>This is classic EU. An announcement of an effort to collect collaborators to discuss doing something that they might do in the future. It should be done in secret? How did they manage to create CERN? maybe there was no reddit like people commenting back then?

It’s like telling someone you’re planning on starting a diet and getting congratulated.

So tell us how NASA is doing this decades long plans, they should keep them secret? Should HNers vote on what NASA should do ?

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by FranzFerdiNaN »

huijzer wrote: post #71
seydor wrote: post #41

> OpenEuroLLM has a total budget of €37.4 million of which €20.6 million comes from the Digital Europe Programme. So on average 1.87 million per participating institution which might amount to funding ~5 PhD students per institution. Not bad for a training program. The project has been awarded the Sovereignity Seal, an EU mark of Excellence before it even started. This is truly in accordance with european values, whe…

> This is truly in accordance with european values, where we reward participation and proclamation. Yes. In my experience the government is happy with "looks good doesn't work" as long as it truly looks good.

Lol yeah unlike corporationd who are happy with “makes life intentionally worse but brings in money”.

Jesus the ideology in this place runs so thick with some people.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by pastage »

ben_w wrote: post #18
woah wrote: post #10

The three goals featured prominently above the fold are: > truly open > including data, documentation, training and testing code, and evaluation metrics; including community involvement > compliant > under EU regulations, OpenEuroLLM will provide a series of transparent and performant LLMs > diverse > for European languages and other socially and economically interesting ones, preserving linguistic and cultural diver…

Why would diversity, especially linguistic diversity, be besides the point? Europe is a lot more culturally and linguistically diverse than either the USA or China. Hier spricht man Deutsch. A 600 km à l'ouest, on parle français. 50 km na wschód, Polska. 360 χλμ βόρεια, Δανέζικα, Σουηδικά; 250 χλμ νότια, Τσεχία; 750 χλμ νοτιοανατολικά, Ουγγρικά; και τα λοιπά. Europe has a need, that the other models aren't bothered b…

Of the four languages I speak the different models do a pretty good job. I am sure there is something extra that can be added, but atm it is good enough for me.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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seydor wrote: post #41

> OpenEuroLLM has a total budget of €37.4 million of which €20.6 million comes from the Digital Europe Programme. So on average 1.87 million per participating institution which might amount to funding ~5 PhD students per institution. Not bad for a training program. The project has been awarded the Sovereignity Seal, an EU mark of Excellence before it even started. This is truly in accordance with european values, whe…

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Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by p-a_58213 »

rhubarbtree wrote: post #105
dagenleg wrote: post #100

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At least in France, where they have PhDs which last only 3 years, a years of PhD would cost ~45K EUR in gross salary (granted the student gets around half of that after tax), then let's say ~10K travel and consumables costs, then add up the inevitable 20% overhead costs and now you're looking at around 200K for the shortest possible frugal 3 year PhD.

At least in the UK, overheads are usually over 100%.

....at best :( - more in certain universities.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by ravetcofx »

ffsm8 wrote: post #70
simion314 wrote: post #43

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So CERN and similar? you think it could have been done without any coordonation? Like 2 guys faking under they make it USA style ?

Well, what actual value did cern produce beyond theoretical research with no application in sight?

Many things including New forms of cancer treatment https://home.cern/news/news/knowledge-sharing/fighting-cance...

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by piker »

belter wrote: post #101
sdsd wrote: post #63

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i see this kind of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism a lot. i think that you can imitate good things about US innovation without having lots of school shootings.

I’m pointing out that overall compensation isn’t just the salary. In Europe, benefits like universal healthcare, free universities, and strong worker rights add significant value that balances lower wages.

Keep telling yourself that buddy.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by cess11 »

amrrs wrote: post #78

It's funny they don't have Hugging Face as their Partner. Literally, the biggest face of Open LLMs sitting right in Europe, but somehow it's not a partner.

What would you expect HF to provide? Are they in possession of larger supercomputers than the research institutions involved?

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by FranzFerdiNaN »

kandesbunzler wrote: post #92
anonymousDan wrote: post #52

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In what way? What exactly has the US achieved?

Uhhm.. they lead in pretty much everything especially tech related? You redditors are unbearable.

They also lead in destroying your own country and science and tech industries. And soon they’ll be the number one authoritarian state too! And have biggest bestest king of them all lmao.
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