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Captchas Are Becoming Ridiculous

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Re: Captchas Are Becoming Ridiculous

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post #88

One nice thing about recaptcha is that you know those cut off words don't matter (badly OCR'd) and can just enter gibberish for them. But it has gotten to the point that about half of the control words are unintelligible by a human.

Sure, but you shouldn't undermine the mission of successfully recording words that can't be identified. It's a pretty noble goal, actually.

Their goal isn't more important than my goal of resetting my password or logging in.

Re: Captchas Are Becoming Ridiculous

#112

I have no expertise in this area, but how about patterns? Since we're already parsing so much text, why not take strings of legible text (with a minor visual distortion), and strip a connecting word such as a preposition? The user is then prompted to enter the connecting word. Synonyms could be matched. For example: "I can't stand all ____ your lies" (of) or: "This is all too ____ for me to handle!" (much) Sure, some…

My Android already does this, guessing the next logical word as I'm typing. This solution to Captcha has already been broken by AI.

Re: Captchas Are Becoming Ridiculous

#113
post #70

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Why not pose questions with answers that are obvious to humans but difficult for ai. Eg. 'What's 4 times four?' or 'How many times does the word four appear within this sentence?'

An even more outrageous but possible solution has already been implemented here. http://random.irb.hr/signup.php

That one is actually pretty easy to beat - the OCR is easy enough, and you can refresh the page until you get an easy question. Some of them are very simple integer arithmetic exercises.

As for the harder questions, Wolfram Alpha is better able to do them than the average human.

Re: Captchas Are Becoming Ridiculous

#114

I have no expertise in this area, but how about patterns? Since we're already parsing so much text, why not take strings of legible text (with a minor visual distortion), and strip a connecting word such as a preposition? The user is then prompted to enter the connecting word. Synonyms could be matched. For example: "I can't stand all ____ your lies" (of) or: "This is all too ____ for me to handle!" (much) Sure, some…

This is remarkably easy to crack. Much easier than captchas.

Re: Captchas Are Becoming Ridiculous

#115

It's easy to criticize captchas. That's why there are so many articles like this, which we all knowingly nod along to as we read. It's much harder to provide productive criticism that leads to an actual improvement over the status quo. (Although it is easy to suggest bad alternatives to captchas, which is why they appear in every comment thread about captchas on Hacker News, including this one.)

The best anyone else has come up with is, "You've typed your password wrong one time. Your account is now disabled, please call a customer service representative at 1-900-TIME-WASTE between the hours of 10:30 AM and 3:30 PM Indian Standard Time. Please note that we are closed on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Sunday, and that we have lunch between 11:00 AM and 3:00 PM."

What about just "You've typed your password wrong N times; you must now wait 2^N seconds before trying again"?

Re: Captchas Are Becoming Ridiculous

#116
I wrote an OCR for the previous generation of recaptcha (the one that preceded this one) that cracked it with a 92% success rate. The same day I finished the OCR, I watched my 50 year old mom try to input recaptcha for the registration of some website to view family photos. She eventually gave up, and that website lost another potential user.

I remember shaking my head at the absurdity of it all. I'm glad I'm not the only one.

Re: Captchas Are Becoming Ridiculous

#117
post #115

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The best anyone else has come up with is, "You've typed your password wrong one time. Your account is now disabled, please call a customer service representative at 1-900-TIME-WASTE between the hours of 10:30 AM and 3:30 PM Indian Standard Time. Please note that we are closed on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Sunday, and that we have lunch between 11:00 AM and 3:00 PM."

What about just "You've typed your password wrong N times; you must now wait 2^N seconds before trying again"?

Well, how do you prevent someone from locking you out of your account?

Re: Captchas Are Becoming Ridiculous

#118
post #98

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Do OCR on every frame, perform majority voting on the result. You just made the spammer's task easier.

Here is an example of a problem that would be hard for computer to solve: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G4y79ZbaBs

You just diff each frame and keep the parts that don't change much. Very simple to solve.

Re: Captchas Are Becoming Ridiculous

#119
post #88

One nice thing about recaptcha is that you know those cut off words don't matter (badly OCR'd) and can just enter gibberish for them. But it has gotten to the point that about half of the control words are unintelligible by a human.

Sure, but you shouldn't undermine the mission of successfully recording words that can't be identified. It's a pretty noble goal, actually.

I, for one, refuse to be used as the source of free labor by Google just because I want to sign up for a website.

Re: Captchas Are Becoming Ridiculous

#120
post #117
post #115

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What about just "You've typed your password wrong N times; you must now wait 2^N seconds before trying again"?

Well, how do you prevent someone from locking you out of your account?

Account gets locked just for that computer.
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