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Record-breaking neutrino is most energetic ever detected

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Re: Record-breaking neutrino is most energetic ever detected

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It took a few tries, but I got Wolfram Alpha to compute its velocity compared to the speed of light[1]. I started with: sqrt(1-((1/(1+120 PeV / (neutrino mass * c^2)))^2)) but it simply said "data not available". So I changed: 120 PeV to 120e15 * 1.602176634e-19 kg m^2 s^-2 neutrino mass to 1.25e-37kg speed of light to 299792458 m/s and finally it gave a numeric result: 0.999999999999999999999999999999999999829277971…

I can see it came from your source but why is the neutrino mass specified in kg instead of g? why not 1.25e-34g?

The kilogram is the base unit of mass in the International System of Units (SI): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_base_unit

Time is in seconds, length in meters, temperature in kelvin, etc. A unit of energy like a joule is then defined using these base units, so 1 joule is 1⋅kg⋅m^2⋅s^-2.

Re: Record-breaking neutrino is most energetic ever detected

#112
post #103

It took a few tries, but I got Wolfram Alpha to compute its velocity compared to the speed of light[1]. I started with: sqrt(1-((1/(1+120 PeV / (neutrino mass * c^2)))^2)) but it simply said "data not available". So I changed: 120 PeV to 120e15 * 1.602176634e-19 kg m^2 s^-2 neutrino mass to 1.25e-37kg speed of light to 299792458 m/s and finally it gave a numeric result: 0.999999999999999999999999999999999999829277971…

That’s fast! But for how much energy? For comparison, the total energy from this one particle (0.0192 joules) is equivalent to keeping a 50 mW LED lit for a third of a second.

Re: Record-breaking neutrino is most energetic ever detected

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One of the lead researchers in KM3NeT mentioned that the particle was emitting 2 horse power in light during detector transit. A typical body builder expends about 1 horse power while performing, so its 2 body builders in a single particle.

Can we harvest that energy?

Not for that particular neutrino, it's gone. But yes, my home (and yours) is being heated by neutrino power as we speak. It's not a significant enough amount of energy to make a dent in the utility bill however.

Re: Record-breaking neutrino is most energetic ever detected

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This particle spread this energy through a volume of seawater a few km deep in the Mediterranean. It's going to raise the temperature of that volume a few billionths of a degree, if that. So, no, we can't.

What if our existing solar panels are optimized to detect these? Then will it improve the quality of solar panels to capture more energy from sunlight as well? Sorry, I'm no expert in this - asking more of a curiosity.

It might improve the quality of neutrino astronomy to have the world's solar panels also be neutrino detectors.

Re: Record-breaking neutrino is most energetic ever detected

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post #111

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I can see it came from your source but why is the neutrino mass specified in kg instead of g? why not 1.25e-34g?

The kilogram is the base unit of mass in the International System of Units (SI): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_base_unit Time is in seconds, length in meters, temperature in kelvin, etc. A unit of energy like a joule is then defined using these base units, so 1 joule is 1⋅kg⋅m^2⋅s^-2.

> The kilogram is the base unit of mass in the International System of Units (SI)

Arguably, an ugly wart, but one we are stuck with for historical reasons. The base units of the original metric system (metre and gram) were poorly proportioned for practical use, resulting in the two main scientific/engineering systems of metric units both choosing to prefix one base unit - the centimetre-gram-second (cgs) system chose to prefix the metre, the metre-kilogram-second (mks) system chose to prefix the gram, and eventually mks won out over cgs and evolved into SI.

Whatever warts SI has, they are nothing compared to the chaos of the Imperial/customary system

Re: Record-breaking neutrino is most energetic ever detected

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post #81

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Meh, Lidl sells 3200w kettles.

Where are the three phase models?? Seriously though, a 15A kettle sounds great.

UK 240V with 13A sockets, 3120W. Sounds like Lidl are rounding up.

Re: Record-breaking neutrino is most energetic ever detected

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post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The kilogram is the base unit of mass in the International System of Units (SI): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_base_unit Time is in seconds, length in meters, temperature in kelvin, etc. A unit of energy like a joule is then defined using these base units, so 1 joule is 1⋅kg⋅m^2⋅s^-2.

> The kilogram is the base unit of mass in the International System of Units (SI) Arguably, an ugly wart, but one we are stuck with for historical reasons. The base units of the original metric system (metre and gram) were poorly proportioned for practical use, resulting in the two main scientific/engineering systems of metric units both choosing to prefix one base unit - the centimetre-gram-second (cgs) system chose…

> The base units of the original metric system (metre and gram) were poorly proportioned for practical use

What is the dealbreaker here though? Because we have plenty of "poorly proportioned" SI units anyway; e.g. it would be much more practical to have megapascal, microfarad and megajoule as base units from an engineering pov (particle physicists might disagree;).

Re: Record-breaking neutrino is most energetic ever detected

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post #103

It took a few tries, but I got Wolfram Alpha to compute its velocity compared to the speed of light[1]. I started with: sqrt(1-((1/(1+120 PeV / (neutrino mass * c^2)))^2)) but it simply said "data not available". So I changed: 120 PeV to 120e15 * 1.602176634e-19 kg m^2 s^-2 neutrino mass to 1.25e-37kg speed of light to 299792458 m/s and finally it gave a numeric result: 0.999999999999999999999999999999999999829277971…

I can see it came from your source but why is the neutrino mass specified in kg instead of g? why not 1.25e-34g?

In particle physics you just use GeV (with varying powers) for most parameters :)
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