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Meta’s Hyperscale Infrastructure: Overview and Insights

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Re: Meta’s Hyperscale Infrastructure: Overview and Insights

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Not being able to get your kid to sleep because the upstairs flat is now a weekend party place for tourists is… a non-problem? ‘Wonderful’ convenience for tourists, sure. Writing off reasonable objections as ‘ideological zealotry’ from ‘bad political actors’ is a very weird take. Case in point, I recently backed out of buying a house when I found out the house next door was an Airbnb, and the neighbours were not digg…

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By "ideological zealotry" you mean "scientific research." https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01660... https://marketing.wharton.upenn.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/... https://hbr.org/2019/04/research-when-airbnb-listings-in-a-c... And so on. Reality is AirBnB has been absolutely catastrophic financially in many urban areas, with unhelpful political consequences. It has been - provably - a huge cont…

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Re: Meta’s Hyperscale Infrastructure: Overview and Insights

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Please read more carefully and don't shove your own words down other people's throats, it's rude and un-called for. What zealotry? The only politically-sided arguments in this thread are coming from you. By the way, if you took a few more seconds to read a bit more carefully, you would have noticed I never said they did not provide any value - only that the net negative seems to be outweighing the benefits to the soc…

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Re: Meta’s Hyperscale Infrastructure: Overview and Insights

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how is it net negative effect? they have Hundreds of millions of ACTIVE users even if it was spun off to be stand alone product without Instagram it would still be worth billions

DAU is a very one-dimensional and misleading KPI, one that gave us ever-growing, VC-backed unprofitable companies. The Threads is definitely net-negative in the sense of wider impact and not just single-dimensional KPIs. Take as example Uber and AirBnB. Both have had millions of active users and one could argue their service is even useful to a lot of people. It's still quite easy to argue that they are are net-negat…

> As for the wider positive effects to the society at large, feel free to point out any

It's pretty cool to have a version of Twitter to communicate with the world, which isn't run by a literal sieg-heiling nazi

Re: Meta’s Hyperscale Infrastructure: Overview and Insights

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Sponsored by Brawndo - its what plants crave Seriously though, this is painful to watch. Reminds me of those articles/videos where people have to have their jobs "invest" or software/hardware partners in that website and all of a sudden this person is a "Person of Interest". Meh

> articles/videos where people have to have their jobs "invest"

> software/hardware partners in that website

> all of a sudden this person is a "Person of Interest"

Would you mind rephrasing these points? It's unclear what they mean or are referring to (e.g. what does it mean when a job "invests"?)

Re: Meta’s Hyperscale Infrastructure: Overview and Insights

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DAU is a very one-dimensional and misleading KPI, one that gave us ever-growing, VC-backed unprofitable companies. The Threads is definitely net-negative in the sense of wider impact and not just single-dimensional KPIs. Take as example Uber and AirBnB. Both have had millions of active users and one could argue their service is even useful to a lot of people. It's still quite easy to argue that they are are net-negat…

> As for the wider positive effects to the society at large, feel free to point out any It's pretty cool to have a version of Twitter to communicate with the world, which isn't run by a literal sieg-heiling nazi

Yeah but it ain’t Threads

Re: Meta’s Hyperscale Infrastructure: Overview and Insights

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> As for the wider positive effects to the society at large, feel free to point out any It's pretty cool to have a version of Twitter to communicate with the world, which isn't run by a literal sieg-heiling nazi

Yeah but it ain’t Threads

what isn't threads?

Re: Meta’s Hyperscale Infrastructure: Overview and Insights

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They might have launched it quickly, but nobody (relatively speaking) gave a tinkers damn about the end product. All form and no function.

Precisely, for all the talk of efficiency last few years, how do we even begin to measure the total waste of effort and energy of so many smart people that this was? All that effort and stress for effectively nothing, or perhaps even net negative effect.

If so many people are so smart and still working on these products at Meta then either these product matter as per smart people or they are just ordinary people working for their paychecks.

Re: Meta’s Hyperscale Infrastructure: Overview and Insights

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See further below please, I wrote just about this kind of tunnel-vision focus on DAU/MAU vs. a more holistic view ;)

If you're talking about this post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43010781 You wrote a wall of text saying and refuting absolutely nothing. The only remotely tangible argument you made was the blurb on “Specifically, as it pertains to monetization, we don’t expect Threads to be a meaningful driver of 2025 revenue at this time,”. Considering Meta reports revenue around $40B and Threads, considering the EU snag,…

Sure mate, I am definitely the one with an axe to grind here ;) Now prove me stupid and show me and the HN readership how is a product which even it's own management sees as unprofitable for the next three-four quarters, producing any benefits at least to it's shareholders, not even talking about the society. Maybe lean into the argument with a pinch of how the latest Meta "free speech" policies augment it's positive contributions too ;)

Re: Meta’s Hyperscale Infrastructure: Overview and Insights

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> the image is not cached at CDN109 when the user requests it, CDN109 forwards the request to a nearby PoP. The PoP then forwards the request to the load balancer in a datacenter region, which retrieves the image from the storage system. Say I want a 1MB image, wouldn't it be faster to serve me the 1MB image over a slow connection with 100ms latency, than going through multiple hops of increasing latency, with multip…

Serving an image over HTTPS implies initiating the TCP connection (which requires minimum 3 packets) and the TLS connection (which requires many more, lets say 10).

CDN PoP Datacenter communication doesn't require initiating connections. They reuse them because they centralize requests to serve different users (this is even explicitly called out in the article).

Lets say your closest datacenter is 50ms away, and the closest PoP/CDN node is 10ms. Just initiating the image download through HTTPS all of sudden is 500ms vs 100ms.

Sure, PoP/CDN might need to go to the datacenter to fetch the image (and only if the content is not cached there already) but that only happens once before it gets cached, and there's still a lot of ms to use on that to make the tradeoff worth it.

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