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Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Why are high level figures in these departments just letting them walk in and have access? Tell them to kick rocks until they have proper clearances.

> Why are high level figures in these departments just letting them walk in The better question is what are all the Congressmen doing cozily on Capitol Hill. Like, not one has walked over to these departments to try and physically stop these kids from gaining the keys to the kingdom? (EDIT: Whoops, they have.)

They did and they were not allowed into the building.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

#112

Say what you will about the cuts, you can't have people with zero clearance being given access to all of this data.

All this data? We really don’t know what data is being accessed. We have a lot of people saying lots of things about the access. Such as he will block payments or tarter people based on how they vote. You have not claimed those so I won’t rebuttal then here. But “all this data” I will. The systems bending accessed are the ones which handle money approved by congress to be spent in a specific way. As a tax payer I am…

> As a tax payer I am appalled that this data is not already public and broadcasted live.

As a taxpayer, I'm offended that more of my money isn't spent protecting it. Clearly it wasn't enough to stop a rudimentary attack. I can give you three good reasons this is offensive to American liberty in an apolitical context:

1. The personal information of federal employees should remain private in respects to the Civil Rights act and the impartiality of hiring all candidates. This is what protects both Democrats and Republicans from having punitive action held against them by political opposition.

2. America's actual itemized expenditure is a matter of national security. Publishing a precise budget lets an adversary (of which America has many) estimate our weaknesses and, if specific enough, predict our intent before we strike. The current system of budgeting rather than begging is safe and can still be audited by both parties.

3. Elon Musk has stated business interests in opposing Apple and Google, both of which have secret testimonies he could access for illegal leverage against them in negotiations. Allowing him unfettered access to government records and defunding regulators is an expressly unfair business advantage that should not be tolerated in any free market.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

#113

The biggest irony to me is that Musk wanted to reneg on the Twitter sale. It's interesting to consider the timeline where he was allowed to not buy it. Truly a "canon" event, that one. I'm also not convinced this is a "security breach." They're being allowed to do it. It's more like an unforced error, if anything. Not that it changes anything material about the situation. That said - a small majority of congress is c…

That's a very odd definition of "security breach"

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

#114
It has been a fairly common story, and part rumor, that intelligence agencies like to recruit young people active in the cyber criminal scene, and that the IT security industry also adapted this approach. They basically becomes part informer and part subject expert, especially since IT security expertise seems to be a difficult subject matter to teach in universities. When I studied IT security in university, about 10 years ago, I heard multiple version of this several times, with one student from my university getting employed because they managed to demonstrate a hack on a bank.

I always hope that such recruits had a bit tighter surveillance from their employee, but no one in the industry describes such recruits as "highly susceptible to extortion and coercion from current members of the same gang", and absolutely no one described them as members of violent street gang. It might have been a fair label but at most, such teens were describe as smart but mischievous. Might not be the best people to be responsible for national security, or peoples bank accounts, but it seemed to be the culture of that industry.

Has other people in the IT security industry had the similar experience of this culture?

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

#115

When Elon stripped the Twitter organisation down to its fundamental parts, saved tons of money and the service is still ran like usual, people said the he’s a moron and the service couldn’t possibly run without a bloated and inefficient workforce. They were wrong. Now that Elon is applying the same philosophy to all of his companies and now the federal government, people are once again saying he doesn’t know what he’…

Twitter is down 80% in valuation since Elon took over: https://techcrunch.com/2024/09/29/fidelity-has-cut-xs-value-...

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

#116

The question no one asking is why Elon is sending a team of teenage programmers and not a team of financial auditors if he really wanted to cut government spending?

> why Elon is sending a team of teenage programmers and not a team of financial auditors if he really wanted to cut government spending?

History has one answer for the deployment of reams of young fiery-loyalist men to the front lines: cannon fodder.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

#117

The question no one asking is why Elon is sending a team of teenage programmers and not a team of financial auditors if he really wanted to cut government spending?

Reporting on this is terrible. There are also senior (in age and experience) people, but much of the focus is on the youngins for obvious reasons.

Musk also believes (either arrogance, or true belief) that much of this stuff can be figured out from first principals without much need of traditional experts.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

#118

When Elon stripped the Twitter organisation down to its fundamental parts, saved tons of money and the service is still ran like usual, people said the he’s a moron and the service couldn’t possibly run without a bloated and inefficient workforce. They were wrong. Now that Elon is applying the same philosophy to all of his companies and now the federal government, people are once again saying he doesn’t know what he’…

> service is still ran like usual

a) Trust and Safety teams were disbanded which led to the EU now investigating the company for breaching DSA Risk Management provisions. If X is banned from EU this decision will be a major part.

b) Content Moderators were fired which has led to an increase in the amount of bots, spam etc which has directly attributed to a major loss in revenue as advertisers require a trusted platform.

c) Fidelity, an X investor, has valued the company at 20% of when it purchased. That is indicative of widespread wealth destruction.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

#119

Say what you will about the cuts, you can't have people with zero clearance being given access to all of this data.

All this data? We really don’t know what data is being accessed. We have a lot of people saying lots of things about the access. Such as he will block payments or tarter people based on how they vote. You have not claimed those so I won’t rebuttal then here. But “all this data” I will. The systems bending accessed are the ones which handle money approved by congress to be spent in a specific way. As a tax payer I am…

> We really don’t know what data is being accessed.

Thank you. I think there is a lot of assumption by everyone about that very thing.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

#120
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And now musk is calling for the impeachment of Judge Paul Engelmayer who blocked his department from accessing government payment/financial systems. https://thehill.com/policy/technology/5134725-elon-musk-impe... This should be mandatory reading for everyone who argues this is just fine: https://www.amazon.com/They-Thought-Were-Free-Germans/dp/022...

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If it were you or I, we'd petition our representative.

Musk can ask the speaker of the house directly, he can speak to the president directly.

You or I do not have the access that musk has, nor do we have the amplified speech that he has.

Please don't whatabout. That does nothing for any kind of conversation.

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