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Changing My Mind On Microsoft

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Re: Changing My Mind On Microsoft

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Post by archangel_one »

powertower wrote: post #110
archangel_one wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Again, why do you (and others) keep comparing today's Linux/Android/OS X OS with a 10-15 year old Windows OS. You argued that Windows was targeted solely because of its high market share. I'm drawing a comparison to another platform with high market share; there simply wasn't anything comparable ten years ago. And it is not obvious to me that it's not a valid comparison; Microsoft were a huge company who had been d…

> And it is not obvious to me that it's not a valid comparison; ... Android is a lot younger, so you could just as well expect it to be less mature and therefore less secure. There is a reason why PC games are so much more advanced in their design, graphics, and game-play today than they were 10-20 years ago. By your logic, there is little reason why Crysis 3 should not have been developed 15 years ago. If they can d…

No, that is a totally different thing, and a fairly ridiculous comparison. You clearly can't have Crysis 3 15 years ago because the computers weren't powerful enough. Please don't apply a bad metaphor and tell me that's my reasoning, because it clearly wasn't.

Security does not require computing power, it needs careful code. By your logic, OpenBSD would have been an insecure mess 15 years ago, and nobody's web server would be getting hacked today. That is not how it works.

Re: Changing My Mind On Microsoft

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Post by petitmiam »

gitarr wrote: post #6

I agree with most of the article, but the "The Ubuntu Unity failure" was only a temporary one. The author says it got better, but in reality Unity already overtook Windows' UI and it will overtake Apples UI with one of its next iterations. As a younger (though not that young) developer I have to agree that using MS developer tools is the wrong way of doing things for most new software, not all of them though, it sure…

> I agree with most of the article, but the "The Ubuntu Unity failure" was only a temporary one.

Absolutely. Unity in 12.04 is very solid. There's still a lack of settings options, but I don't think that warrants the whole thing being called a "failure".

Re: Changing My Mind On Microsoft

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Post by geon »

> Nowadays nobody under thirty writes anything on Microsoft developer tools unless they are demented or brain-dead

The gamedev community is very MS centered. There are a few people doing handheld stuff, or homebrew console hacking, but the majority use Windows and Direct X. A lot of people use C#, or even develop for the Xbox 360.

Re: Changing My Mind On Microsoft

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Post by powertower »

archangel_one wrote: post #111
powertower wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And it is not obvious to me that it's not a valid comparison; ... Android is a lot younger, so you could just as well expect it to be less mature and therefore less secure. There is a reason why PC games are so much more advanced in their design, graphics, and game-play today than they were 10-20 years ago. By your logic, there is little reason why Crysis 3 should not have been developed 15 years ago. If they can d…

No, that is a totally different thing, and a fairly ridiculous comparison. You clearly can't have Crysis 3 15 years ago because the computers weren't powerful enough. Please don't apply a bad metaphor and tell me that's my reasoning, because it clearly wasn't. Security does not require computing power, it needs careful code. By your logic, OpenBSD would have been an insecure mess 15 years ago, and nobody's web server…

I've pointed out how ridiculous it's to blame Windows 95 for not being what today OSes are.

Since that wasn't good enough, I then pointed out how ridiculous it would be to compare IE6 (circa 2001) with the latest version of Chrome (2012).

But that wasn't good enough either.

So in the most general of ways I gave you one even better, which BTW had a small part to do with PC performance and more to do with everything else.

> OpenBSD would have been an insecure mess 15 years ago, and nobody's web server would be getting hacked today.

Have no idea what logic you're talking about.

I think we'll just have to disagree.

Re: Changing My Mind On Microsoft

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Post by pmelendez »

kitsune_ wrote: post #34
pmelendez wrote: post #5

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Is fine to be angry.. but please try to maintain the discussion in a good level... your comment would be more appreciated without the vulgarities.

You are right. Edited.

No problem... how can you edit a post by the way.. I can't see an option for that

Re: Changing My Mind On Microsoft

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Post by dredmorbius »

powertower wrote: post #89
archangel_one wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> > Windows security issues are everywhere and it did not need to be so. > Sorry, but that's mostly due to the desktop market size and Windows' share of it. No, it's not. It's mostly due to Microsoft ignoring security for years because it wasn't important to them. They didn't have to have everyone running as root by default in all versions of Windows before Vista (AFAIK in XP Home you can't actually set up restricted…

I think you've missed the point on multiple fronts... > and you don't see Android phones being compromised remotely within fifteen minutes of being connected to a network. Again, why do you (and others) keep comparing today's Linux/Android/OS X OS with a 10-15 year old Windows OS. Windows security has been at its core since after XP, and by all knowledgeable accounts is just as good as Linux's ... as long as you know…

It's not a 10-15 year old version.

As of ~2008, a very competent technical friend and co-worker had fired up a virgin WinXP instance, on the corporate intranet, to access some HR website which was strictly MSIE only.

Within the 15 minutes that instance was live, it had been compromised.

Anecdata, from a mythical extraterrestrial at that. But I'll stand by that and his experience.

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